u/WoodNymph34

The debate of Heaven and Hell has become awful and people should be aware of it.
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The debate of Heaven and Hell has become awful and people should be aware of it.

I actually posted this OP in r/Christianity, but I wish to posted it in here too, and to add the image for new edit.

The above image is from Pinterest, which I highly assume it to be from an atheist viewpoint. However, as a believer, I too agree with the image, which is something I know a certain amount of believers are opposed to according to my observation.

The debate of Heaven and Hell has been one of the heated subjects amongst Christian communities and there's nothing wrong with discussing about it. Many people also share concerns on the conditions of going to heaven, including people who are concerned with their deceased loved ones.

However, after reading various posts and comments, I realise that the debate has gradually descended to an awful, deteriorating thread that people should be aware of. So here are some examples I found from Reddit and YT. While there are nothing wrong with the questions, the replies are what appalls me (they do not represent all comments btw):

Questions from Reddit/YT:

  1. My closest atheist relative is dead and he/she has been commiting to do/think good despite his/her flaws and does value the principles of Christianity and where will he/she go now?

  2. Who will go to heaven? A Christian rapist killer or his atheist/Hindu victim?

  3. Will Holocaust Jewish go to heaven or hell after they die?

  4. My relative has killed himself. I believe I'll reunite with him in heaven.

Then I will see tons of comments like these:

1/4. I'm sorry but scriptures are clear, so there's no hope for your relative anymore. They're not in heaven.

  1. The rapist will go to heaven if he/she repents but the atheist/Hindu victim will go to hell as suffering doesn't earn us to heaven. There's only hope for the victim is he/she is a kid.

  2. Repentant Nazis will go to heaven while most of the Jews go to hell for denying Jesus Christ.

While there's nothing wrong on having these questions most of the time (which will be understandably unavoidable), those answers are just straight up disgusting, because no one should've ever used scriptures to pour salt on people's wound, particularly on those who suffers and lost the people they love. And these comments are often backed by the same old verse "No one is good"/"I am the way" without understanding the spirit and context of these lines. The line no one is good/everyone is sinners has been particularly conflated with "eveyone is wicked and scum the moment they're born, you will only have value in your life if you follow God" (I saw comments like these before), which has definitely built a toxic, self-loathing culture in the Christian community.

I never deny the teachings in the Bible, I too believe Jesus is the only way, anyone who genuinely seeks him and repents can be with him, but no, I never believe everyone is born to be scum or be simply casted to hell for not believing Jesus "on the surface" (Hope people look at the Sheep goat parables). The reply over suicide is also terrible too, because it literally shows no compassion to those who succumbs into great despair to the point of taking their lives for various reasons.

All these comments have probably ignored the other lines which has built up the above verses, of how God is the protector of the oppressed and poor, how people could've been unknowningly serve and following God all the time (See Parable of sheep and goats), how God's standard of mercy and justice is beyond our understanding, and only God knows who truly seeks to follows him.

As Christians, we should've known better than causing further immese pain on someone who's grieving or someone who suffer greatly, because the Bible never teaches us to use scriptures to condemn mourners and sufferers. I hope these people could stop these comments and stop thinking in such a way. The judgement of the dead is beyond us, we should leave everything to God instead of taking his role. It is our duty is to love and comfort those who suffer, not to condemn them.

Ps:I might be flawed on some arguments, and I'm glad if there are any constructive discussions.

u/WoodNymph34 — 15 hours ago