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The Song Dynasty, often criticized by the Chinese for its mediocre military, was still far more powerful than most European countries of the same period.

The Song Dynasty, often criticized by the Chinese for its mediocre military, was still far more powerful than most European countries of the same period.

Every Western software acknowledges that the Song Dynasty was a world-class empire, yet it was already a relatively mediocre Chinese dynasty.

Even Western search engines generally acknowledge the Song Dynasty as a world-class empire.

It resisted the Mongols at their peak for nearly half a century, with the Mongols recruiting large numbers of Chinese, Arabs, Persians, and Turks to complete the conquest of the Song Dynasty.

Area: 1.8-2.9 million square kilometers (peak period)

The Song Dynasty certainly cannot compare to the Qin, Han, Tang, Ming, or even the Sui Dynasty during the reign of its first emperor. At its peak, it only ruled over approximately 75% of traditional China.

Even so, it was still far more powerful than the European countries of the time.

My point is clear: for 80% of the time before the Industrial Revolution, Europe was incomparable to China. The Roman Empire was long dead and never unified again.

The Western Roman Empire was destroyed by Germanic barbarians, and the Eastern Roman Empire by Turkic barbarians.

Ironically, the Han Dynasty defeated the Xiongnu, and some Xiongnu descendants became Hun (as confirmed by genetic testing). They ravaged the Goths, and the Goths conquered the Western Roman Empire.

The Tang Dynasty conquered the Eastern and Western Turkic Khaganates; Osman I was a descendant of the Western Turks.

The Song Dynasty was not a powerful Chinese dynasty, yet as a neighbor of the Mongols, it resisted for such a long time, even at its peak (the peak of the Song Dynasty was the Northern Song).

I don't believe any European country could have resisted the Mongols alone for half a century, especially considering they were right next door.

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u/Wise-Pineapple-4190 — 5 days ago
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The conquest of China - the greatest achievement of the Mongol Empire

Mongol conquest of China -1205–1279 (74 years)

In 1279 AD, Kublai Khan destroyed the Song Dynasty. This marked the first time that China, this ancient and long-standing civilization was truly conquered and fell entirely under foreign rule.

— Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, on the Yuan Dynasty

Foreword: Throughout history, only two ethnic groups have truly conquered China (occupied the entire country and established their own regime):

The Mongols and the Manchus. However, only the Mongols truly conquered Chinese dynasty.

The Manchus were very fortunate; the great Ming Dynasty perished in 1644 due to a severe and large-scale internal uprising. In short, the Ming was destroyed by the Chinese themselves, after which the Manchus seized the opportunity to invade China.

Only the Mongols truly destroyed Chinese dynasties and then established their own regime. This was far more difficult.

For much of the time before the Industrial Revolution, Chinese dynasties were among the most powerful and advanced empires in the world.

Han–Xiongnu Wars - Wikipedia

Their wars with nomadic peoples had a long history. Two thousand years ago, the Xiongnu, the first large nomadic empire in human history, was defeated by the Han Dynasty China. Some of its members fled to other regions, and some of these people were ancestors of the Hun.

Tang campaign against the Eastern Turks - Wikipedia

Conquest of the Western Turks - Wikipedia

In the 6th century AD, the Turkic Khaganate rose to power. Like the Xiongnu, they occupied the entire Mongolian steppe and much of Central Asia. However, in the 7th century AD, both the Eastern and Western Turkic Khaganates were conquered by the Tang Dynasty China. Some members of the Western Turkic Khaganate unwilling to accept Chinese rule, were forced to migrate to other regions. Osman I and the Khazars, Turks familiar to Europeans were descendants of those who migrated from the Western Turkic Khaganate.

But the Mongols completely surpassed their predecessors.

Time required for the Mongol Empire to conquer territories

1. Khwarezmia Turkic Persian(Most of Central Asia, West Asia, Afghanistan, and parts of South Asia): 3 years (1219-1221)

2. Jurchen Jin Dynasty(Northern China): 23 years (1211-1234)

3. Rus' Principality Russian(Russia): 3 years (1237-1240)

4. Abbasid Caliphate Arab(Baghdad and surrounding areas): Several weeks (1258)

5、Song Dynasty Chinese(Southern China):45 years (1235-1279)

It's clear that even after two to three centuries of division, the Chinese dynasties remained the Mongols' most formidable enemy. It took the Mongols so long time to conquer all of China, with nearly half a century spent just in the southern regions. The Khan died in the wars of conquest. Regions not conquered by the Mongols were largely due to geographical advantages (such as Japan).

It's not an exaggeration to say that all the other regions conquered by the Mongols combined were not as valuable as China. Conquering those other regions was also much simpler and easier.

So the conquest of China was the most brilliant jewel in the crown of the Mongol Empire.

The Mongols no longer needed to prove themselves by conquering Western Europe, because they conquered the most powerful settled civilization of the time—the Chinese dynasty.

u/Wise-Pineapple-4190 — 5 days ago

Li Jing and Su Dingfang (李靖、苏定方)– Two of the greatest generals of the Tang Dynasty – Founders of Glorious Era

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Foreword: If we were to discuss who the greatest generals of the Tang Dynasty were, these two would undoubtedly be the most frequently mentioned.

They laid the foundation for the Tang Dynasty's peak and glory, greatly expanding China's territory.

In the early Tang Dynasty,most of generals were still Chinese (Han), but it was precisely because of these two great generals that more and more generals from conquered ethnic groups joined the Chinese army.

They are the founders of the Tang Dynasty's glory.

李靖Li Jing (571-649 AD)

Ethnicity: Han Chinese

Military achievements:

In 630 AD, he led his army to capture the Khan of the Eastern Turkic Khaganate, thus destroying the Eastern Turkic Khaganate. At this point, present-day Inner Mongolia, southern Outer Mongolia, and eastern Xinjiang were incorporated into the Chinese territory.

In 635 AD, he led his army to eliminate the Tuyuhun (a Tibetanized Xianbei people). At this point, present-day Qinghai Province was incorporated into the Chinese territory.

苏定方 Su Ding Fang (592-667AD)

Ethnicity: Han Chinese

Military achievements:

In 657 AD, he led his army to capture the Western Turkic Khan, destroying the Western Turkic Khaganate. At this point, China's territory extended to the present-day Aral Sea region, incorporating Central Asia into its borders.

In 659 AD, a rebellion broke out in Central Asia. He led his army to capture Duman Khan, consolidating his territory in Central Asia. China's territory now reached present-day Afghanistan.

In 660 AD, he led his army to conquer Baekje (one of the Joseon Kingdoms), expanding China's territory to the Korean Peninsula.

From 661 to 663 AD, he led his army to repeatedly inflict heavy losses on Goguryeo (one of the Joseon Kingdoms), laying the foundation for its eventual destruction.

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u/Wise-Pineapple-4190 — 5 days ago