u/Shyvadi

Im seeing 52%+ in all ranks so a minor nerf probably incoming

Heyo, while I was streaming the other day I was told that AD bruiser (hexplate/sundered/trinity) seemed to be the highest wr builds in their internal testing.

It's hard to tell since we haven't played real games yet but, its possible I suppose. AP does seem pretty insane, but its also possible it will suffer the same problems as old ap shyv. What I think though is the internal dev team probably doesn't have the entire experience of the old ap shyv like some of us and so personally I still believe ap to be the strongest, even if its not the most popular.

At first the toxicity there was warranted, even with these 12.19 patch notes I was expecting shyv to be worse but in practice she plays completely fine and is even stronger late game.

I'm starting to see a lot of people make rude comments over there, and clearly have a hate towards Riot. So much so that they are blinded by their opinions and don't actually try the changes out to see how they are. The person I'm most surprised to see this is Kostia the subreddit owner lol, who actively is hating on any positive post highlighting the strengths of any changes.

"Shilladi with another post defending Riot's shitty decisions" "Seems like you're intentionally missing the point so you can shill for Riot"

Like what is the point of these comments?

I'm not the type of person to be irrational and just rage about changes without an actual opinion formed. I read changes, form an opinion and solidify it after I try them. Many people consider this that I'm defending riot because I'm not posting about the changes I don't like, when I am always saying those things on my stream. I was debating with rioters about why I think sheen is a terrible item, why they didn't rework the passive, why they removed ad ratios. I don't agree with everything they say, I listen to their responses and try it out to see if they have a point.

Hi guys, I understand you are hyper focused on the ad ratios being removed on W and E.

and at first, that was my reaction as well. However, upon trying it myself, it's not actually weaker at all. Sure, the first clear is pretty slow now however the rest of the game plays out completely normal. In fact, you end up with higher ad at the end of the game as well.

You no longer max e second with ad builds, it'll be W second. You would expect e to do negative damage, but you're wrong. Dragon form E is 6.25% max hp + base damage on targets hit with level 1 E and it multiplies per target hit +40% (including the max hp).

This means level 1 E is going to do about the same damage on average as like a level 4 e on live by the time you're level 9.

W Shield feels really trash at first, but maxing it second works completely fine and when it's maxed out it feels back to normal, but you get it back even faster. Same with E, the cooldowns are amazing (especially taking transcendence). Q cdr refund nerf does take some getting used to, but it's not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Most people complaining have not tried it, again, only reading the patch notes.

I can feel clear identities when I play either build:
AD is for games where you have team AOE (mages) and you need to be front lining a lot and 1v1ing.

AP is for games where you have mostly fighters and/or the enemy team has mages like lulu/raka.

That being said, I can definitely see both builds capable of carrying games if you were to onetrick either of them.

AD will always have the problem of not being able to 1v5 if your team dies. AP will always have the problem of not being able to 1v1 the fed master yi. However swap the builds and both can tackle the opposing scenario.

I see the community with a ton of negativity right now, especially towards me and other people showcasing the strengths of the changes, and I think this is warranted to a degree since riot didn't change the passive like we were told. However, these changes will make Shyvana more fun to play whether you think so or not. You just need to try them and play out a full game.

I'm confident they will fix her passive situation but probably wanted to fix the identity problem between ad and ap first.