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1st item damage for Shyvana patch 26.9
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1st item damage for Shyvana patch 26.9

Level 8 with 1 item, conqueror rune, W-auto-Q1-R-auto-E-Q2-auto-Q3 (like here) vs a training dummy with 1300 HP, 50 armor, 40 magic resist.

Sorted by damage from highest to lowest, tested for 3 skill orders.

Item Q(2) W(4) E(1) Q(4) W(2) E(1) Q(1) W(2) E(4)
Profane Hydra (Q1-Cleave-auto-R) 1663 1666 1662
Hextech Gunblade (with Bolt) 1632 1632 1644
Ravenous Hydra (Q1-Cleave-auto-R) 1634 1632 1630
Kraken Slayer 1575 1565 1577
Voltaic Cyclosword (100 energy) 1554 1555 1546
Umbral Glaive (with Nightstalker) 1530 1536 1531
Bastionbreaker (with charge) 1507 1496 1502
Titanic Hydra (Q1-Cleave-R) 1503 1503 1498
Bloodthirster 1477 1481 1477
Rabadon's Deathcap 1470 1463 1496
Trinity Force 1447 1444 1446
Hextech Gunblade (without Bolt) 1445 1440 1455
Umbral Glaive (without Nightstalker) 1441 1444 1437
Stridebreaker (Q1-Cleave-R) 1440 1442 1437
Bastionbreaker (without charge) 1427 1433 1425
Shadowflame 1430 1429 1442
Stormsurge (with Stormraider) 1419 1419 1430
Profane Hydra (without Cleave) 1410 1412 1405
Youmuu's Ghostblade 1409 1415 1405
Axiom Arc 1407 1409 1403
Ravenous Hydra (without Cleave) 1391 1389 1388
Statik Shiv (100 energy) 1390 1391 1391
Hullbreaker 1383 1371 1380
Voltaic Cyclosword (0 energy) 1372 1372 1368
Death's Dance 1362 1363 1358
Spear of Shojin 1347 1349 1344
Liandry's Torment 1327 1316 1335
Titanic Hydra (without Cleave) 1318 1322 1315
Overlord's Bloodmail 1284 1282 1275
Riftmaker 1247 1242 1279
Stridebreaker (without Cleave) 1240 1234 1239
Experimental Hexplate 1240 1234 1242
Zeke's Convergence 1099 1105 1107

The Hydra items are tricky. The Cleave auto reset works different for the HP Hydras, they can only do auto-Q1-Cleave, while Profane and Ravenous get an extra auto after the Cleave without any downtime.

u/Sephyrias — 7 hours ago
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Damage comparison pre and post 26.9

Back in this thread I posted some damage test numbers: https://www.reddit.com/r/shyvanamains/comments/1sgxwpk/hullbreaker_2nd_item/of9ceef/ When I do the same thing now, level 11 with conqueror rune, maxing Q>W>E, the result is as follows:

VS 1600 HP, 60 armor, 40 mr training dummy (lvl 11 Jinx)

  • human E-W-auto-Q-auto-Q-auto(W): Kraken Slayer+Trinity Force=1240dmg, Triforce+Hullbreaker=1218dmg, Kraken+Hullbreaker=1255dmg, Kraken+Dusk&Dawn=1222dmg, Rabadon's+Shadowflame=1101dmg, Dusk&Dawn+Rabadon's=1027dmg

  • R-W-auto-Q-auto-Q-auto-Q(W)-E: Kraken Slayer+Trinity Force=2248dmg, Triforce+Hullbreaker=2047dmg, Kraken+Hullbreaker=2153dmg, Kraken+Dusk&Dawn=2029dmg, Rabadon's+Shadowflame=2439dmg, Dusk&Dawn+Rabadon's=2055dmg

  • R-W-QQQ-E-(3autos)-QQQ: this test doesn't work anymore because the Q cooldown is longer now, but if I stand still for 2 seconds after Q3-E, then the damage for Trinity Force+Kraken Slayer is now 4432, slightly higher than the previous 4343, but D&D+Kraken only gets 3971dmg, while it was 4110 previously. Shadowflame+Rabadons barely even touches 3700, with those items you don't care about hitting a second Q3.

If I max E>W>Q instead:

  • human E-W-auto-Q-auto-Q-auto(W): Kraken Slayer+Trinity Force=1259dmg, Triforce+Hullbreaker=1247dmg, Kraken+Hullbreaker=1288dmg, Kraken+Dusk&Dawn=1268dmg, Rabadon's+Shadowflame=1176dmg, Dusk&Dawn+Rabadon's=1088dmg

  • R-W-auto-Q-auto-Q-auto-Q(W)-E: Kraken Slayer+Trinity Force=2242dmg, Triforce+Hullbreaker=2044dmg, Kraken+Hullbreaker=2135dmg, Kraken+Dusk&Dawn=2043dmg, Rabadon's+Shadowflame=2559dmg, Dusk&Dawn+Rabadon's=2083dmg

If I max W>Q>E:

  • human E-W-auto-Q-auto-Q-auto(W): Kraken Slayer+Trinity Force=1258dmg, Triforce+Hullbreaker=1240, Kraken+Hullbreaker=1266dmg, Kraken+Dusk&Dawn=1239dmg, Rabadon's+Shadowflame=1120dmg, Dusk&Dawn+Rabadon's=1049dmg,

  • R-W-auto-Q-auto-Q-auto-Q(W)-E: Kraken Slayer+Trinity Force=2244dmg, Triforce+Hullbreaker=2045dmg, Kraken+Hullbreaker=2135dmg, Kraken+Dusk&Dawn= 2035dmg, Rabadon's+Shadowflame=2448dmg, Dusk&Dawn+Rabadon's=2032dmg

My main takeaway:

  1. Trinity Force is competitive and Kraken Slayer is still viable too, but Dusk and Dawn is weaker than before.

  2. It is not clear if AD Shyvana should max Q or W first. The damage is almost the same and the Q cd nerf is noticable.

  3. E max AP Shyvana deals equivalent burst damage to AP Diana, but AP Shyvana's dps is weaker since her cooldowns are longer.

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