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A question for those AI critics who oppose only video generation and AI images: what do you think about omni models that combine text, video, and images, and thereby become better overall?
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A question for those AI critics who oppose only video generation and AI images: what do you think about omni models that combine text, video, and images, and thereby become better overall?

For example https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-omni/

Of course, how much adding images and videos improves the AI itself is a debatable topic, but it can notice that video and text improve quite significantly, so the opposite should also be true.

u/Questioner8297 — 2 hours ago
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How is hiring a human artist for your game not outsourcing creativity when using AI is?

It's one thing to be against AI simply because you're against AI. But you can't say that hiring a human to do part of the work isn't outsourcing creativity, and since games, films, and other things are teamwork, then by your logic, which you use for the ai, each team member outsources their creativity?

You can't simultaneously praise human teamwork and say that AI outsourcing of creativity is a problem.

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u/Questioner8297 — 4 days ago
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AI data centers vs factories: energy and water use compared with steel, aluminium, and car plants

Energy data sources

  1. AI / data-center power sizes Source: IEA – Data centre electricity consumption in household electricity consumption equivalents, 2024. Used values: 100 MW hyperscale, ~2,000 MW largest under-construction, 5,000 MW largest planned. I converted these to annual electricity using MW × 8,760 hours/year.
  2. Global data-center electricity demand Source: IEA – Energy and AI report. Used values: 415 TWh in 2024 and projected ~945 TWh by 2030.
  3. Automobile assembly plant energy Source: U.S. EPA ENERGY STAR – Automobile Assembly Plants Industrial Insights. Used values: small plant ~78,700 MWh electricity + ~473,930 MMBtu fuel; medium ~121,000 MWh + ~851,560 MMBtu; large ~188,000 MWh + ~1,636,000 MMBtu. I converted MMBtu fuel to TWh using 1 MMBtu = 0.293 MWh.
  4. Steel plant energy intensity Source: World Steel Association – Energy use in the steel industry / Sustainability Indicators. Used value: 20.95 GJ per tonne of crude steel in 2024, converted to ~5.82 MWh/t. Then I calculated 1 Mt/year = ~5.82 TWh/year and 3 Mt/year = ~17.46 TWh/year.
  5. Primary aluminium smelting energy intensity Source: European Commission JRC – Decarbonisation Options for the Aluminium Industry. Used value: ~13.2 MWh per tonne of primary aluminium in 2022. I calculated 500 kt/year = ~6.6 TWh/year.
  6. Large new aluminium smelter electricity demand Source: The Aluminum Association – Powering Up American Aluminum / Energy policy page. Used value: ~11 TWh/year for a single new aluminium smelter.

Water data sources

  1. Data-center direct/site water use Source: Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory – 2024 United States Data Center Energy Usage Report. Used value: average site WUE just over 0.36 L/kWh through 2023.

  2. Data-center indirect electricity-related water Source: LBNL – 2024 United States Data Center Energy Usage Report. Used value: 4.52 L/kWh indirect water consumption from electricity generation for U.S. data-center electricity use in 2023.

  3. Data-center high-WUE sensitivity case Source: Data Center Knowledge – guide to WUE. Used value: 1.8 L/kWh as a common average WUE benchmark for sensitivity analysis.

  4. Steel water consumption and withdrawal Source: World Steel Association – Sustainability Indicators Report 2025. Used values: 8.50 m³/t crude steel freshwater withdrawal and 2.30 m³/t crude steel freshwater consumption.

  5. Automotive manufacturing water use Source: Semmens & Bras, “Vehicle manufacturing water use and consumption,” based on automaker sustainability reports. Used values: 5.20 m³/vehicle direct water use and 1.25 m³/vehicle direct water consumption for manufacturing.

  6. Aluminium water input and consumption Source: International Aluminium Institute – The Aluminium Story, raw materials / energy-water data. Used values: primary aluminium ingot production average water input 2.6 m³/t and net freshwater consumption ~1.4 m³/t aluminium.

Derived calculations:

Annual electricity from capacity: MW × 8,760 hours/year ÷ 1,000,000 = TWh/year.

Average load from annual energy: TWh/year × 1,000,000 ÷ 8,760 = MW.

Fuel conversion: 1 MMBtu = 0.293 MWh.

Water conversion: 1 m³ = 1,000 liters ≈ 264.17 US gallons.

AI data centers can consume factory-scale energy and water: a 100 MW AI data center is comparable to a large car plant, while multi-GW AI campuses can approach the scale of major steel or aluminium plants.

u/Questioner8297 — 4 days ago
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64% of gallery professionals ( artists) are against ai and 33% are using it as "pragmatic users" or "enthusiastic adopters"

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-artsy-ai-survey-2026-galleries-ai-art#JUMP--artsy-editorial-artsy-ai-survey-2026-galleries-ai-art--how-are-galleries-defining-ai-art

Important note: only 33% are completely against it, while 31% simply have certain problems with AI, which doesn't mean that a person will be against its use per se, but they are still skeptical, so they fall into the anti-AI category.

Since, 36% believe AI will become an “established artmaking tool,” similar to photography or other digital tools. 23% expect it to become a “specialized or niche area,” used by a smaller group of artists and embraced by specific collectors, galleries, and institutions.

We can conclude that not all of 31% with concern are really against ai in its essence.

u/Questioner8297 — 4 days ago
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It's the middle position in the AI debate that's the most anti-human. If you agree that AI is really bad, why the hell do you even support it?

Pro-AI believes AI will bring many benefits and is worth the price, while anti-AI believes there are few advantages. Average (middle bettwen them) : everything is terrible, but AI will continue. It's hard to imagine anything more grim.

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u/Questioner8297 — 4 days ago
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If I wrote a script for a regular film with a human crew and the same script for ai video generation, you anti-AI crowd won't say that I worked less with AI than with human crew?

My contribution to the final AI film cannot be less than what I would have had I written the script for a human film crew. Perhaps even more, since I select the best shots with the AI, but with a human crew, that's no longer my job. Why should I suddenly have my name in the credits of a film made with humans, but no longer have the same credits of an AI film?

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u/Questioner8297 — 5 days ago
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Even low-effort AI art is no longer just a promt. You can use a bunch of ready-made images as references, simply giving them to copy the character, poses, concept, or process logic. But the whole argument is still about promt.

This is all important because it greatly increases the amount of information you can give the AI. A simple promt is often insufficient. Ready-made images contain a huge amount of useful information. You can even simply draw words on paper in the right position, give them to the AI, and the AI will replace the words with an image of those words. This isn't about requiring effort; on the contrary, current AI is much, much more controllable than even a year ago, let alone the SD 1.6 era with small effort.

Image 2 image, that is, image transformation, has been around for a long time, but two years ago you could barely control it. Now you can only take a single image, only part of the concepts per image, and generally adjust the image much more precisely. AI as a tool has grown tremendously. From being almost uncontrollable, it has evolved into a fairly controllable process on many levels if you used an image as the intput data.

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u/Questioner8297 — 7 days ago
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It's quite funny to see how some AI critics deny the need for automation of artists by saying that an artist is not productive of anything useful except his imagination, but this is self-deprecation

I mean, the automation of a scientist is considered a good thing because the scientist produces benefits for society beyond their own existence, through the results of their labor, which objectively help. The position that art cannot be automated essentially rests on the idea that art has no meaning other than being art - that is, people express themselves, and images are ultimately simply a means of expression, meaningless actually without that.

However, at its core, this essentially says that artists are useless labor for society, and why should the rest of society pay for nothing? If we accept this, then artists' pay is essentially based on a good word - a pure waste of important resources that could be spent elsewhere.

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u/Questioner8297 — 8 days ago
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I'm amazed how people can see that AI is smart enough to solve undergraduate-level homework - enough for a professor to pass it- and still think AI is useless. These problems are designed to test a student's knowledge; you can't answer them without knowledge.

I'm not saying cheating is good or that it's a good process for students to do it, but it's also a test of AI capabilities. You must have a certain level of knowledge to answer such questions on a test or essay at this level. The same applies to propaganda: a useless tool for general information processing can't be used to create propaganda, or it will be very low-quality propaganda. But then shouldn't you be in favor of it? If you say that AI can create a fictitious image of tanks in Washington and that people will believe it, that means AI can create plausible fictitious content that can be used in a huge number of tasks: educational material (we already said that it must be plausible; if AI can't create educational material due to hallucinations, then it also can't create propaganda for the same reason, since it's the same information presented differently), illustrations, inspiration material, etc.

Tl;dr: You can't say that AI can help students cheat and create propaganda without having any other uses, since these two mentioned uses automatically mean that it can be used for a huge number of other tasks, since the creation method is the same.

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u/Questioner8297 — 8 days ago
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AI critics seem to forget that price reduction is a huge benefit for a huge number of people, so to say that AI is only useful for business is just incorrect.

AI can be both a tool for a company to reduce production costs and a personal tool for an individual or content creator. Renting tools opens up new opportunities for ordinary people willing to pay for it, as it's still cheaper than a commission. This content may also be of interest to others. Whether a video will appeal to a small number of people, since it was initially obtained almost for free, doesn't matter. The ease of content creation with AI gives you the opportunity to create content without quitting your main job, so it's simply a bonus. Comparing only with professional content creators misses out on huge advantages for amateurs, who see it as an advantage because they don't intend to create detailed content; they have general ideas that they primarily implement for themselves, and others can also benefit from it (again, given the price, it doesn't matter that there are only a small number of people involved).

Small creators can also make more content for those who want content, not what you, critics of AI art, consider art.

That is, the price reduction does not depend at all on the company that wants to create films cheaper, but only on the ability of an individual to rent these tools.

Is this the peak of consumerism? In a way, yes. But we initially make technological progress to get what we want. If consumerism is what we want, then how are you going against the voices of ordinary people for the sake of some lofty moral values of yours? Which, by the way, isn't a bad position, but it is a weak one.

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u/Questioner8297 — 9 days ago
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I'm honestly surprised that AI critics are asking that social change should come before more efficient production technology, not after. How does that even work? And why should we wait for social change to use the best tool?

Do you really think people will go for this?

I don't want to say that there are no reasons to be afraid, but these are all distant reasons when people see the benefits of AI here and now, and we know very well how terrible people are with long-term goals. People often choose what they have now over an unpleasant future.

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u/Questioner8297 — 10 days ago
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If the AI bubble bursts, do AI critics think that the data centers already built will disappear and no one will try to squeeze everything possible out of existing models?

The bursting of the AI bubble and the collapse of chat gpt are two completely different things. Not to mention companies like Google, which didn't spend anyone else's money at all.

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u/Questioner8297 — 10 days ago