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GBPJPY H4: Why do these Structures are Count as External CHoCH without breaking Previous swings how to read this ?

GBPJPY H4: Why do these Structures are Count as External CHoCH without breaking Previous swings how to read this ?

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Currently, I am working with GBPJPY 4H trend analysis, but I have doubts about interpreting structure in this context. There are three pullbacks that didn’t break their prior swing highs or swing lows by a candle close at all, but are considered as valid External BOS or CHoCH. In all these pullbacks, prices wick above/below a certain key level and bounce, creating the illusion of structure change. For instance, in one of them price wicks above a swing high, but the next leg closes below the prior swing low, implying some bearish structure change without a true candle close breach. In another example, price wicks below a swing low, and after that rally closes the price above the previous high, thereby concluding the pullback. And, finally, in the third pullback price also wicks below a key level and closes strongly bullish above the prior swing highs.

Why do you think that these movements can be qualified as external structure changes even though there was no proper candle close that breached swings? What order flow or volume characteristics should be observed for recognizing these shifts?

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u/Practical-Tea230 — 1 day ago
GBPJPY H4: Why do these look like real CHoCH without breaking swings?

GBPJPY H4: Why do these look like real CHoCH without breaking swings?

im looking at gbpjpy 4h uptrend and kinda confused about structure because there are like 3 pullbacks where price never actually closed beyond previous swing highs or lows but still behave like proper bos/choch moves instead of just internal structure, in each case price just wicked past a key level (liquidity sweep) and reversed hard, like first one it wicks above a high then next move closes below previous low showing bearish shift even tho no clean breakout, second one wicks below low then rallies and breaks high ending the pullback, third one same thing dips below then instantly reverses and closes above high, so why are these treated as external structure shifts when technically no proper candle close break happened, is wick sweep plus displacement enough for bos/choch in ict/smc or am i just reading it wrong, also what kind of orderflow or volume confirms this and how would you classify these moves actually?

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u/Practical-Tea230 — 1 day ago
GBPJPY H4: Why do these count as External CHoCH without breaking swings?

GBPJPY H4: Why do these count as External CHoCH without breaking swings?

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I’m looking at a GBP/JPY 4H uptrend and noticed something that’s confusing me about structure.

There are three pullback areas where price never actually closed beyond the previous swing highs/lows, yet they still behave like proper (External)BOS/CHoCH moves rather than just internal structure.

In each case, price only wicked past a key level (liquidity sweep) and then reversed hard.

What I’m seeing:

First pullback:

  • Price wicks above a prior high (looks like a stop hunt)
  • Then the next move closes below the previous swing low → bearish shift
  • No clean breakout close above the high, but the reaction feels like a real external turn
  • The retest fails and price sells off → trapped buyers

Second pullback:

  • Price wicks below a prior low (liquidity grab), no close below
  • Then rallies and breaks above the previous high → bullish shift
  • Again, no proper BOS on the downside, but it clearly ends the pullback

Third pullback:

  • Price dips below a recent low with a wick
  • Immediately reverses and closes above the prior high
  • Looks like another sweep → continuation

My confusion:

Why are these treated as external structure shifts when technically no swing was properly broken with a close?

Is the wick sweep + strong displacement enough to qualify as BOS/CHoCH in ICT/SMC terms?

What I’d like to understand:

  • What orderflow or volume clues would confirm these as real shifts?
  • How would you classify these — true BOS/CHoCH or just internal liquidity sweeps?
  • Is this just a perspective issue depending on how you define swing points?

My current idea:
After these sweep-and-reverse moves, entering on the confirmation candle (with stops beyond the wick) seems logical — but I’m not sure if I’m interpreting the structure correctly.

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u/Practical-Tea230 — 1 day ago