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Didn’t Think This Through! Moments in Madagascar 3: Europe’s Most Wanted:

First off, after the Zoosters grow tired of waiting for the Penguins and chimps to come back to Africa and pick them up on the super plane and fly them back to the Central Park Zoo in New York City after finishing their gambling in Monte Carlo, even after Alex has a nightmare of the penguins leaving him, Marty, Gloria and Melman to rot in Africa and his friends make him a mud model of New York as a birthday present, to the point where they decide to travel to Monte Carlo and convince the penguins to fly them back on their own, unaware that the penguins and chimps had already planned to come back and pick them up in a new plane bought with their gambling money and fly back to New York in style. If the Zoosters has stayed put in Africa for a little while longer; the penguins would have come back to pick them up and the plot and conflict of the movie never would have happened.

The Zoosters learn this the hard way after they find the penguins but make themselves fuguitives to Chantel Dubois and the animal control in their presence in Monte Carlo.

However, the Zoosters more easily would have caught the penguins at the casino without being caught by the humans and snuck away back to New York City in the Super Plane in a beautifully orchestrated plan done by Alex if it had not been for Alex and Marty screwing it all up (Shame on them!) by getting into an argument with each other on who the leader of the group should be at first letting the old feud between them re-ignite despite having long since resolved it and Gloria briefly losing her patience over seeing her friends fight attempts to break up the argument and get Alex and Marty to focus on their mission by becoming the leader and one to grab the penguins, but makes things worse by shattering the window ceiling that they were standing on and revealing themselves to the humans and Vice versa… Setting off the chain of events that lead to the Chantel’s manhunt for them starting.

Second off, after escaping Monte Carlo but the Super Plane’s gear assembly gets damaged in its getaway from Dubois causing it to crash land in a train yard in France, and get broken beyond repair and for the chimps expect for Mason and Phil to bail on the protagonists and for the protagonists to abandon the plane to be scrapped and hide from the police by stowing away with the Circus on their train after lying that they were circus animals, the Zoosters, lemurs, penguins and Mason and Phil originally planned to get off at the train’s next stop and use the money that the penguins won in their gambling to buy a new airplane to use to fly back to New York City and its zoo in ease, but after Stefano revealed the circus’ plans to tour through Rome, London and eventually into New York, they decide to stow away with the circus as a simpler solution to get back home, but had to buy the circus using the money and vacate all its humans since it’s circus master doesn’t allow stowaways and to avoid grabbing the attention of Dubois.

The Zoosters were initially too trusting towards the circus animals (Even before Alex, King Julien and Marty fall in love with Gia, Sonya and the horse triplets and support Vitaly and Stefano.) because instead of asking them to put on a rehearsal of their show before they head to Rome to see just about how bad of a circus it is and help change up and improve its performances to make the Rome show a success, they instead have the circus animals perform in Rome right away and learn the hard way what a bad circus they are in reality and the show therefore flops making it clear that it will also flop in London unless the performances are improved. The Zoosters were also left with no idea what to do with the circus and its animals even if they did make it back to New York.

This left the Zoosters and penguins regretful in trading the money for the circus which they could have used for the plane, and no they have no money left over to buy a new plane with or even sell the circus for more money since: 1) It would risk exposing the Zoosters’ lie to the circus animals. 2) Skipper used the remaining money to buy dentures capped in gold so he could eat apples but he sadly discovered that he disliked apples.

After Stefano reveals to Alex how the circus used to be famous until Vitaly had his big tragic accident in his pushed too hard performance and how with his, Marty, Gloria and Melman’s help, they can have the circus improve its acts and return to glory, the Zoosters decide to do just that to make the London performance so sucessful that they could make it to New York, and then sell the circus to a new owner and slip away with the penguins and chimps back to the zoo while the lemurs return to Madagascar and make an excuse for their leave with the circus animals and say their goodbyes with Alex encouraging Vitaly to confront his trauma and be the famous stunt performer he is again.

Their time with the circus during the rehearsals however, even after Alex performs the trapeze with Gia falling in love with her in the process and Marty does the cannon ball act with Stefano and Melman and Gloria perform on the tightrope together, leads to the Zoosters growing fond of the circus and the new friends made there even after the London show becomes a smash hit so they decide to stay with the circus anyway and call of their plans to return to the zoo….

Until Dubois and her men show up and tries to catch Alex but the Penguins save him and exposes the Zoosters’ lie to the circus animals in the process, and this leaves them all hurt and betrayed not over the Zoosters lying that they are circus animals and making up the trapeze Americano thing since they had to do so so Vitaly would allow them on the train and Gia and Stefano would have agreed to let them on even if Vitaly didn’t interfere but instead rather over the fact that the Zoosters seemingly were initially uninterested in becoming friends with them truly despite everything that they had been through together and double-cross them when they got there (And sell the circus to a new human owner making them go back to being the literal animal performers that they once were never doing the acts that the humans didn’t, like sir and lie down in Gia’s case and never be the animal only circus again.) and were only using them to get back to their homes putting their desire to get back to their zoo home before their lives, doubts and traumas as the performances were hazardous given that the Zoosters didn’t give them a lot of precautions for them and the Zoosters didn’t accept the freedom that they had gained when being shipped away from the zoo unlike the circus animals themselves who used to live in zoos and disliked it before being recruited into the circus for the first time, unaware that the Zoosters had already did them a good favor by helping their circus return to prominence and had already reconsidered returning to the zoo and selling the circus back to the humans due to their time together, and the circus animals turn on the Zoosters as a direct result and the Penguins and Chimps who turned out to be on the circus animals’ side of the agreement turn on them as well to join the circus permanently.

This left the Zoosters remorseful for manipulating the circus animals and for their obsession for going back to the zoo causing them to miss what was truly special, and with no where else left to go, they return to the Central Park Zoo and King Julien (After his heated break-up with Sonya.) accompanies them to say his goodbyes before he returns home to Madgascar with Maurice and Mort to resume his position as king as his objective of accompanying them home was now complete, but the zoo no longer felt like home, and the Zoosters realize that they came to enjoy their newfound freedom in their three movie time away from the zoo and therefore there was no point in them returning to captivity and when they were at the circus they were already home, which they should have realized sooner. (Julien realizes that life also has so much more than just being a king, like his romance with Sonya for example.)
So the Zoosters decide to return to the circus and convince them to give them a second chance and apologize to them for deceiving them, and join permanently until DuBois and her men have them all captured and locked back up in the zoo to planned put them down and have their heads cut off and taxidermied in secret and lie about their deaths to the public the following night, starting with Alex, but Julien evades capture and returns to the circus and reconciles with Sonya deciding to give up being the king of the lemurs in Madagascar permantely to be with her, and informs Vitaly, Gia and Stefano plus the penguins of the Zoosters’ plight and having quickly came to regret and show remorse over disowning the Zoosters just because they lied too and intially planned to use and double cross them as it wasn’t worth it after all since the Zoosters already grew fond of the circus enough to want to stay there and call ofd their plans, quickly decide to go and rescue them and convince the rest of the circus animals despite their intial resentments to do so as well, and the Circus animals, Penguins, Chimps and Lemurs launch a rescue mission to save the Zoosters from the zoo before Dubois could put her down and succeed and Alex and Gia both defeat Dubois and rescue Stefano using the Trapeze Americano which becomes real after all and Gia, Vitaly and Stefano and the circus animals plus penguins and chimps reconcile with the Zoosters and accept them back into the circus and the Madagascar trilogy ends with the Zoosters, circus animals, penguins, lemurs and chimps all performing “Afro Circus” together on the circus train in a dance party before they continue touring the world with their circus, ending the franchise on a high note.
As for Dubois and her men, they get shipped to Madgascar and they will most likely stay there for their remaining lives!

Also lastly, when the Zoosters finally make it back to the zoo, (Though they already reconsidered returning to it, to stay with the circus.) not only are they put back in their old pens with tall metal fences being built around them to ensure that they never escape again and are kept trapped there forever, not the kind of warm welcome they expected if they did return to the city, but Dubois does not leave them alone for good but had them all captured and re-imprisoned so that she can Posion dart them all and put their heads on her wall, (And lie to the public that they died from a disease, as the Posion darts would take time to take effect and she shot them in secret.) and would have won if it were not for Gia and the Circus animals coming back to rescue them and reconcile with them and defeat Dubois and welcome the Zoosters back into their circus, ending the Madagascar trilogy on a high note.

It also completely retcons the Zoosters getting shipped to Africa due to their escapes in the first movie, and belief that they don’t belong in captivity, because after the return to the zoo, they are put back in their old pens instead of being crated and shipped again this time with more protection and guards to prevent another potential hijacking.

Don’t get me wrong, being implusive is the whole fatal flaw of the Zoosters (Alex, Marty, Melman and Gloria.) that we saw in the previous Madagascar movies for being naive unlike the Penguins and lemurs.

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 5 hours ago

Where did the Moon Theater Family go as Jimmy was addressing the audiences in Sing 2?

One thing that puzzled me in Sing 2 is that when Jimmy Crystal gets onto the stage when Out of This World ends to try to steal all the show’s credit for himself and deal with our heroes from there, Porsha Crystal, Ash, Johnny, Rosita, her family, Meena, Darius, Nooshy, Mrs. Crawley, Clay Calloway and Buster Moon all take this opporunity to escape the Crystal Tower Theater and Hotel to avoid any further conflict with Jimmy as Suki Lane stays behind to have the cops come and arrest Jimmy for all his crimes. Buster also leaves his bow tie behind for being in such a hurry to leave but Suki claims it for him and gives it back to him as he and his crew are about to head home to Calatonia and leave Redshore City. Clay also left his motorcycle behind while Porsha left her and her father’s old mansion behind to buy a new house or apartment to live in Calatonia to live closer to her new friends. It turns out that only Clay still lives in his old house outside Redshore in the middle of nowhere while Porsha and Nooshy moved into new homes in Calatonia to live closer to their new friends and Suki and Darius likely did so too.

Where exactly did the Moon Theater Family go after escaping the theater and hotel, what are their whereabouts? I presume that they grabbed their old clothes and fled to the nearest hotel deciding to spend the night there and head home to Calatonia the next day with those who performed in Out of This World changing into their old clothes and get the best room in the hotel due to Clay, a famous rock star staying there. Porsha, Clay and Nooshy all decide to travel back to Calatonia with Buster and his friends since they have nothing else important to do in Redshore while Darius decides to stay, and they accompany the Moon Theater Family on the bus ride back to Calatonia intend in buying themselves new houses once they got there with their money, mainly in Porsha’s case, Nooshy had to move in with Johnny, until Suki stops them to give them the opporunity to perform “Out of This World” for an official performance at Majestic Palace Theater for a week before they all return home to Calatonia and they all accept, likely still staying in the hotel they booked originally for one night only and convinced Suki and Darius to come home to Calatonia with them once they were done performing at the Majestic Palace Theater.

I wish we could have actually seen The Moon Theater Family fleeing the hotel and theater and getting to that nearest hotel and then deciding to leave Redshore City and head home to Calatonia the next day, and are no longer in a rush to leave right away now that Suki had Jimmy arrested and sent to prison for his crimes, and Porsha, Nooshy and Clay deciding to accompany them and move to Calatonia to live closer to their new friends.

I wonder if Sing 3 will confirm that Porsha, Nooshy, Suki and Darius are now living in Calatonia to live closer to their new friends while Clay still lived in his old house. Sing 3 will finally be released in 2027 alongside The Secret Life of Pets 2, it took an awfully long time for these sequels to be produced and released, but the wait was worth it. We might also get a Sing franchise short film in the release of Minions and Monsters.

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 1 day ago

Good use of a modern joke in an Ice Age movie vs. a bad one:

Good use of a modern joke in an Ice Age movie: Buck using a rock as a cell phone in Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs to either reflect how crazy that he went living all alone with no real friends than can talk besides the dinosaurs and pterosaurs, or better yet, uses it to telephone Sid at Lava Falls introducing himself and revealing that he and Sid’s friends are coming to rescue him right away and to stay put where he was until they got there. Sid would then obey and spend quality time with the baby T. rexes and compete with their mother as he did so.

Bad use of a modern joke in an Ice Age movie: After Francine dumps Sid, she said that he looks nothing like his profile picture, for a dating app when that is cell phone related and cell phones were not even invented yet in the last Ice Age!!! Not until the 21th Century in the far future A.D. that is!

Don’t you agree with me?

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 1 day ago

Easily Forgiven Moments in Disney Animated Movies:

Easily Forgiven moments:

Moments in Disney Animated Canon movies where the antagonists are forgiven or let off the hook too easily for their obliviously evil or antagonistic wrongdoings and nearly or completely crossing the moral event horizon with no real consequences.

Lady and the Tramp (1955): Aunt Sarah’s redemption was seen by many to be forced and undeserved because the old lady pretty much spends the entire movie acting as a dog abuser towards Lady as well as Tramp in the climax and all dogs in general, unwillingly causing the movie’s conflict in general because when Jim Dear and Darling leave on their vacation and leave the house, their newborn son Jim Jr. and Lady in Sarah and her pet Siamese cats’ care, Sarah treated Lady as the victim to her abuse just for being a dog and having a bad judge of character towards dogs for being a cat person.

Also, after the Siamese cats trash the house and frame it on Lady, Sarah falls for it and takes Lady to a pet store to be muzzled and it causes Lady to run away in fear and get lost, (Sarah also leaves Jim Jr. home alone when this happens when you should never leave a newborn baby at home unsupervised.) but did also spend quality time with Tramp. When Sarah gets Lady back from the pound, she has her chained to her doghouse outside for running away, despite the fact that she was the one who caused her to run away in the first place. Lady also intended to come back sooner, but Tramp delayed her return.

Also when the rat threatens Jim Jr. and Lady tried to warn Sarah about the rat, all she does is rebuff her, and this forced Tramp to take matters into his own paws to protect Jim Jr. and kill the rat and succeeds despite injuring himself and accidentally knocking over Jim Jr.’s crib, and when Sarah notices this, she fails to find the dead rat and foolishly assumes that Tramp and Lady (Who broke free from her chain) tried to attack her newborn great-nephew and literally loses her temper and has Tramp locked in a closet and Lady in the basement and calls in the animal control to take Tramp to the pound to be euthanized and would have gotten away with what she did if Jim Dear and Darling didn’t return to free Lady who clears Tramp and her names by revealing the dead rat prompting Lady and Jim Dear with Jock and Trusty’s help to save Tramp from getting euthanized and though they succeed, it gets Trusty injured and nearly killed but he lives, barely.

At the end, Sarah is basically easily forgiven and let off scot-free for everything that she had done despite never apologizing to Lady and Tramp and facing the consequences or a real comeuppance for her actions onscreen. Her apology gift of giving Tramp, Lady and their puppies some dog biscuits the following Christmas also wasn’t enough to make up for all that she had done.

The movie would have had a more satisfying ending if Sarah and her pet Siamese Cats were scolded and guilted by Jim Dear and Darling for what they did and sent back to their home forbidden from visiting Jim Jr. again until they promise to act nice to dogs like Lady and Tramp (It was the case in the little golden book or storybook adaptation of the movie and the 2019 live-action remake Except that Sarah leaves in frustration with zero remorse for all she had done.) and got her to say a real heartfelt apology to Lady and Tramp and feel remorse over her actions onscreen and punished her cats for framing Lady and messing up the house in the first place.

The 2001 sequel, Scamp’s Adventure at least finally gave Sarah and her cats karma for their actions by having Buster and his gang assault the characters and chase them away never to be seen again at the Fourth of July celebration.

The Fox and the Hound (1981): Amos Shale’s redemption was met with mixed reception but primarily negative feedback from fans and audiences because it basically happens at the last second and Amos while showing remorse over his actions never apologizes to Copper, Tod or Widow Tweed for all that he did, and already crossed the moral event horizon, and didn’t really show any remorse or conflictness over his actions beforehand unlike Copper himself, even after being chewed out by Widow Tweed for his hunting attempts on Tod twice.

Amos also pretty much spend the entire movie antagonizing Tod ever seen he first sneaked into his backyard to met up with Copper due to having fox biases and a mad obsession with hunting and carelessly causes chaos and destruction alongside Chief in their hunt for Tod. Amos was also indirectly responsible for Copper choosing to give into his hunting dog insticts and turn on Tod when he gets older for the sake of his master and Chief. Amos also blames Tod entirely for the messes caused without sharing it with himself and Chief.

Amos was also the main reason why Chief got injured and Copper had finally turned against Tod by shouting at Chief to jump off the train bridge to avoid a fore coming train instead of simply squeezing down like Tod did causing the dog to have a fall that nearly kills him and gets his leg fractured but nothing a cast can’t heal and for Copper to blame Tod entirely for what happened and swear vengeance due to being raised by Amos and Chief wrong.

It also caused Widow Tweed to ensure Tod’s safety to relcuantly leave him at a non- hunting nature reserve and part ways with him for good leaving the red fox all alone with no friends or family until Big Mama matches him with Vixey to restore his enthusiasm.

Amos also to finally hunt Tod was willing to break the law in order to do so because he trespasses into the non-hunting nature reserve to hunt Tod as well as Vixey with Copper setting up bear traps and shooting his gun loudly which in real life would have gotten him arrested. Amos also burned down Tod and Vixey’s den with fire and initially acted ungrateful towards Tod for saving him from the black bear for trying to shot him while he was down after falling down the waterfall until Copper defends him and convinces him to reconsider.

The movie would have had a more satisfying ending if Amos instead of reforming, got arrested by the park rangers for his poaching in terms of Copper stalling him from shooting Tod long enough for Vixey and Big Mama to tattletale Amos’ presence and attempted poaching in the reserve to the park rangers and have them arrest him and carry him off to prison taking his gun and bear traps as evidence and leave Copper free to live with Tod and Vixey in peace in the reserve after reconciling with them and for Chief to be sold to a new owner who cares about him and treats him better than Amos.

Zootopia 2 (2025): Many audiences found Chief Bogo, Captain HogBottom, Truffler, Higgins, Bloats, the Zebros, Mayor Brian Winddancer and Officers Chevre and Bucheron’s redemptions to be forced and unearned and were too easily forgiven by Nick Wilde, Judy Hopps and Gary De’ Snake for all the police brutality, harassment and close crimes that they caused for their dysfunctions and the manipulations of Milton Lynxley and treated it like it never happened in the first place, and had already crossed the moral event horizon with their police brutality and abuse of power and bad judge of character towards both Nick and Judy, and their Freudian excuse for their actions over only doing their jobs as cops, not knowing Nick and Judy long enough to understand their true self-worth, actually rightfully bringing up their dysfunctions and acting gullible to the lies of the Lynxleys and letting jealousy and pride over Nick and Judy’s heroics cloud their common sense doesn’t excuse their mistakes. Also while Nick and Judy have good, well-written and relatable excuses for their behavior and flaws, these characters have absolutely none. These designated hero character were also being not-so-well-intentioned extremists unlike Mayor Lionheart, Dr. Madge Badger and Larry, Gary and the Timberwolves from the first Zootopia movie whose actions are more justified over them being well-intentioned extremists and stopping Dawn Bellwether’s evil actions without involving the police in it to avoid creating a citywide panic.

First off, in the first act of Zootopia 2, Chief Bogo treats Nick and Judy like a punching bag with his strictness and bad temper for disobeying his direct order to stand down just to arrest Antony Snootley without asking for his approval first, as if regressing back to some his his past habits of being the stern and somewhat illogically blind by-the-book police Chief that he was in the first Zootopia movie and while rightfully pointing out their dysfunctions like Judy’s obsession with doing police work and making the world a better place to avoid repeating her mistakes of being reckless and igronant from the first Zootopia movie that almost allowed Dawn Bellwether to win unintentionally still repeating them in the process and Nick still letting his habits of trying not to relive his traumatic childhood get the best of him which would destroy his own life or worse give him a traumatic adulthood, which the fox learns the hard way later on, Bogo pins most of the Blame for the property damage and reckless endangerment caused while chasing Antony, he clearly missed the point that he was the one who started the whole chase scene in the first place because Nick, Judy and Finnick in their undercover would have easily arrested Antony and collected evidence for his crimes if Bogo had not blown their cover with his radio call causing the giant anteater to flee on the van and for the red fox and gray rabbit to borrow the hot rod car from the frantic pig and chase him all over the city and never shares the blame for what happened. (Never My Fault) Also, Nick and Judy never intended to have the property damage and reckless endangerment caused, that all was more of Antony’s fault and Judy crashing the van into the memorial statue of Ebenezer Lynxley was her just doing what she had to do due to being unable to brake the van but wanting to stop it without hitting a fore coming parade and what truly happened is that nobody got truly injured or hurt which would have been a lot worse, so the Buffalo was just being petty. Bogo also never brings up any of Nick and Judy’s wrongdoings caused by their dysfunctions in the first Zootopia movie that were a whole lot worse and they likely already learned from at that point in time.

And while mostly being right regarding Judy, Bogo disregarded the snake skin which was real and belonged to Gary that the bunny had right in front of him and refuses to have the bunny or her fox partner Nick or the police do anything about it and investigate Gary further that would eventually lead to the Lynxley Conspiracy being discovered and solved that would benefit the city by allowing reptiles to return to it and for TundraTown not to be expanded through Marsh Market forcing its residents to move that at the end would have allowed the Lynxleys to win. Bogo also never suspected that anything was up with Milton Lynxley despite being at the Zootennial Gala and that he was supposed to be one of the wisest of the ZPD’s cops. Bogo also punished Nick and Judy the wrong way by instead of giving them one last chance to prove themselves to be good cops by solving the Gary case or asking Officer Pennington and Officer McHorn or Clawhauser who are nicer than him by comparison to talk with Nick and Judy for him gives the fox and bunny mandatory therapy with the threat of splitting them up if they don’t pass it, which was the wrong option since Nick and Judy understand things better and change their ways through individual self reflections and emotional support from their friends which would eventually happen during their adventure and by getting emotional support from Gary and Nibbles and they can’t prove Bogo that they can be good cops and partners if they are good if they don’t do anything, and making mistakes and learning from them is how people grow, it’s annoying but it’s also part of life. Also, despite the issues in their relationship, Nick and Judy love and care about each other and love working as partners and it would be unintentionally unsympathetic for the Buffalo to split them up as it was never their partnership causing their problems but their emotions. Bogo attempting to nag and Blackmail Nick and Judy into changing turned out to be worthless at the end, since they still learn to more easily change without it at the end.

Not helping is the fact that even though Nick manages to prove Gary’s existence to Bogo after being caught at the Zootennial Gala, Bogo still ungrateful chased Nick to punish him and Judy for disobeying his orders a second time, and unwillingly sets Nick and Judy up to be framed by holding Nick back from catching up with Judy to overhear Gary’s speech that he is good which lets to him knocking the viper out with the frying pan and freeing Milton and arriving a little too late to help the fox and bunny deal with the Lynxleys and got himself fanged by Gary, abliet accidentally causing the viper to lose his right fang (It will hopefully grow back in Zootopia 3 just as real-life viper fangs do.) and for Nick and Judy to be framed on Bogo’s fanging by Milton and Cattrick starting off the movie’s main plot and conflict.

At the end, after everything is settled, we thought that Nick, Judy, Paul, Gary and Clawhauser would rightfully get angry at and tirade and punish Bogo for his wrongdoings while he was recovering at the hospital, but no, they don’t they just choose to easily forgive him and act nice towards him deciding that he did the right thing by antagonizing them and looking down on them in the first act after all, when he kinda didn’t in reality. To add salt to the wound, Bogo never APOLOGIZES to Nick and Judy or bothers to do so or show remorse over his actions and admit that he was being in the wrong. He never even acknowledged Gary’s presence other than accepting a donut from him and forgiving him for accidentally fanging him when he deserved it for how he behaved in the first act. Bogo also doesn’t give Nick and Judy a satisfying apology for looking down on them and antagonizing them other than allowing them to keep their partnership and go out to re-capture the 200 criminals Nick and Nibbles released from prison in order to escape starting with Dawn Bellwether but more so as a punishment for disobeying his orders two times in a row, and will likely go back to acting stern towards them and bossing them around as “rookie cops” when they are done, but at least Nick and Judy would take it with more content since they still have each other and long since resolved the issues in their personality and partnership.

It would have been more satisfying if Bogo was actually tiraded or scolded and stood up to by Nick, Judy, Clawhauser and Gary for his wrongdoings (The same way that Nick stood up to him in the first Zootopia movie to end his mistreatment of Judy but way harsher and angrier, to give him a taste of his own medicine for his strict harassment towards Nick and Judy his cops in general.) and guilted him into apologizing for his wrongdoings, admitting them and showing remorse over them in the process and took accountability for them by not only allowing Nick and Judy to keep their partnership, but also giving them promotions and no longer holding them back for being rookie cops and allowed them to be more independent and taking himself off the field as police chief to do mandatory therapy with Dr. Fuzzby for two years to work on his dysfunctions which were so much worse than Nick and Judy’s to learn to become a better police Chief having Officer Pennington run the ZPD in the meantime for having a more positive attitude, or retiring early to allow Pennington to run the ZPD altogether and giving Mayor Winddancer, Captain HogBottom and the cops who committed the police brutality punishment for both that and taking orders from Milton Lynxley by having them arrested and fired from their jobs and sent to the same prison as Lionheart and having a new mayor elected in Winddancer’s place who is a true politician and make an effort to be a better, wiser, more patient boss to Nick and Judy in the meantime. In addition to having Bogo admit that he was in need of therapy so much more than Nick and Judy, the latter of whom just needed emotional support from their friends like Gary and Nibbles and individual self reflection to easily resolve their own dysfunctions in which they do and had been more so trying to preserve his spotless reputation as a boss and mentor to his cops instead of doing what is truly best for the fox and bunny.

As for Captain HogBottom, Higgins, Bloats and Officers Chevre and Bucheron, they pretty much spend the entire movie slacking at their jobs as cops, acting misguided, committing police brutality and harassing Nick and Judy even before they get framed by Milton and Cattrick Lynxley, and unintentionally becoming theirs and Kitty Lynxley’s personal army and acting obliviously evil, in terms of being on Bogo’s side of the agreement regarding his misjudgments of Nick and Judy despite the logic that proved it otherwise and making fun of and teasing Nick and Judy out of jealousy over their high status and reputation as cops for saving Zootopia from Dawn Bellwether in the first movie, even when they get in trouble with Bogo for disobeying his orders to arrest Antony on their own, and later on quickly believe Milton and Cattrick after they frame Nick and Judy on Bogo’s fanging instead of leading a proper crime investigation and interrogate Nick and Judy on what really happened and much like Winddancer, act gullible to the lies of Milton about Nick, Judy and Gary becoming the bad guys who must be exterminated at all costs without once using common sense and decipher what was really happening, understand the true villainy of the Lynxleys and commit police brutality, reckless endangerment and property damage remorselessly or senselessly as they chase Nick and Judy which cops in real life should never do, in terms of Higgins and Bloats almost trampling over Emmitt Otterton and Mrs. Otterton on their date while swimming through Marsh Market and chomp on and destroy a boat and try to do the same with Nick before Nibbles saves her, and arrests the beaver for aiding the fox in his getaway and Chevre and Bucheron break apart and destroy the HoneyMoon Lounge which would have endangered lives and Bucheron tranquilized Judy and tried to cause her to fall to her death on purpose before PawBert saves her and Chevre beats Nick up and wounds him partially (He quickly recovers though) to arrest him also getting Nick and Judy separated and allowing PawBert to get away with Judy and Gary to use them for his evil plans, and Captain HogBottom rebuffs Nick and rejects redemption from him when he tried to convince her despite not having raw evidence to prove it that he, Gary and Judy were innocent and the Lynxleys were the true bad guys and Judy’s life and the fate of the city was at stake (Unlike how Chief Misty Luggins believed Wolf when he convinced her that he and the rest of the Bad Guys were set up by The Bad Girls and Diane and the fate of the world was at stake and accepted redemption in the third act of the The Bad Guys 2, a non-Disney movie.) and she, Winddancer and the police were unintentionally becoming the pawn to the enemy by taking orders from Milton, forcing Nick to escape from prison with Nibbles the hard way and have to release its 200 criminals including Dawn Bellwether in order to do so who were now on the lose in the city before its ending.

The Zebros and the rest of the ZPD minus Clawhauser, Bogo Paul and who were manipulated by Milton Lynxley were the only ones to get a true comeuppance for their acruons and harassing Nick and Judy when Gazelle and her tigers beat them up and fend them off so PawBert, Gary and Judy could get to the weather wall and it’s control room while Higgins, Bloats, Chevre, Bucheron and HogBottom and Truffler more easily evade it. All making it clear that the ZPD cops were chasing after Nick and Judy and trying to arrest or worse kill them when ordered by Milton out of a jealousy-driven revenge hunt or murder over envying their high status as heroes and wanting to steal it from them by catching Nick, Gary and Judy when manipulated by Milton into assuming that they were bad and get fame and reputation for it as a reward, even if it means doing protocols cops shouldn’t do and can risk getting them fired. Which is the moral event horizon category!

Captain HogBottom though she eventually manages to come to her senses and start to realize the true villainy of Milton and innocence of Nick and Judy after Milton orders her to Posion and kill PawBert, Gary and Judy, she does so after she loads the poison dart gun and is on the brink of darting Judy primarily relcuantly until Higgins clumsily bumps into her and caused her to fire the dart anyway which almost hits and kills Judy until Nick, Flash and Nibbles arrive to reflect the dart away with their car.

As Higgins, Bloats and Officers Chevre and Bucheron search the weather wall bordering Sahara Square and TundraTown for Nick, Nibbles, Gary and Judy, eventually find Gary and Judy on the brink of death in the control room due to being poisoned by PawBert after he betrayed her and Gary and went after Nick and Nibbles and foolishly assume that Gary was trying to fang and kill and eat Judy and tussle and attack him to arrest him or worse strangle him to death without bothering to check the surveillance system and notice PawBert’s attempts at poisoning Nick with the venom injectors and the fox and lynx’s brawl with each other on the roof of the weather wall and realize that PawBert is the true guilty one and go after PawBert to arrest him instead making it difficult for Gary to make it to Nick and PawBert in time to save Nick and get the anti-venom needed to cure Judy and defeat PawBert despite successfully fighting back against the four deluded cops leaving Nick no other option left but to throw the anti-venom to Gary for him to cure Judy with and risk causing himself and PawBert to fall to their deaths, (The fall was revealed not to be fatal after all, but still.) until Judy recovering from the anti-venom quicker than expected manages to knock both Higgins and Bloats out and have Gary lock them both out unconscious in the control room alongside Chevre and Bucheron so they won’t antagonize anyone any longer until the Lynxley Conspiracy is solved and Judy and Gary both barely manage to save Nick from falling alongside PawBert.

At the end, after the Lynxley Conspiracy is solved and Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles’ names are cleared, they are pardoned and the Lynxleys are arrested, the movie pretends that Higgins, Bloats, Chevre, Bucheron and HogBottom and Truffler never committed the police brutality, antagonism and harassment that they committed towards Nick and Judy as well as Nibbles and Gary in the first place because they are shown on good terms with Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles who all have absolutely zero grudge towards them for what they did to the point where they allow them to attend their award ceremony for stopping the Lynxkeys and attend Gazelle’s concert and Gary’s housewarming party as if forgiving them too easily for their past police brutality and wrongdoings despite playing a part in helping them arrest Milton, Cattrick, Kitty and PawBert. This is ridiculous considering the fact that not all cops who commit police brutality or harassment are forgiven and let off the hook that easily in real life.

Also, HogBottom, Truffler, Higgins, Bloats, Chevre and Bucheron’s comeuppance for their police brutality and harassment by being taken off the field as cops and getting two-year mandatory therapy alongside the Zebros with Dr. Fuzzby with the threat of having their partnerships with each other terminated and made solo cops if they don’t pass it was considered too soft of a punishment, and they in reality should have been given much harsher punishments like being fired from their jobs as cops and given lower-ranking jobs as security guards or had their partnerships with each other terminated making them solo cops anyway, or arrested and locked up in prison (The white roomed prison Lionheart, Dr. Madge Badger and the Timberwolves were sent too, not and brutal and harsh as the black roomed prison the Lynxley family, Bellwether and Antony were sent too and Nick and Nibbles briefly.) alongside Brian Winddancer or given probation or community service or two-year parking duty police demotion for their actions and better yet have Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles snap and yell at them angrily for everything that they have done to get them to understand just how big of a deal and selfish, ruthless and racist they were, and get them to make amends for their actions by helping re-capture Dawn Bellwether and the 200 criminals that Nick and Nibbles had to free from prison to escape alongside Bogo himself.

Even Cattrick and Kitty who committed and were involved in their father Milton and little brother PawBert’s crimes, are given the harshest punishment in terms of being arrested and sent to the same prison locked in the same cell as Milton and PawBert when Winddancer, Higgins, Bloats, HogBottom and Truffler and Chevre and Bucheron who committed far worse than Cattrick and Kitty are more easily forgiven and let off Scot-free for the police brutality that they committed without being sent to that harsh prison and locked in the same cells as Antony, PawBert and Milton while Cattrick and Kitty were given the least harsh punishment after being arrested in terms of being sent to the same prison as Lionheart, Madge and the Timberwolves expect for Larry and Gary.

In Brian Winddancer’s case, a famous movie actor and the newest mayor elected succeeding Lionheart and Bellwether, while he did give Nick and Judy the respect that they deserved as heroes and partners and did well at his job as mayor at first, he slacked at it later on, in terms of being on Bogo’s Side of the agreement regarding Nick and Judy being bad cops and never once tried to do anything to stand up to Bogo and protect the fox and bunny from his abuse and strictness plus his awful progress as a police chief and also didn’t suspect anything evil about Milton and his family despite it being obvious expect for PawBert, a cliche twist villain, and acts gullible over the lies of Milton about snakes and reptiles to the point where he cowers and bails alongside the Zebros at the Zootennial Gala over Gary’s presence and later on, after Nick and Judy get framed by Milton and Cattrick and become fugitives, not only does Winddancer fall for it but he doesn’t act that serious about did due to the press conference about it and joking about Bogo dying from his snake venom. (But the Buffalo kinda deserved it for his own awful behavior and wrongdoings.) Making it clear that Winddancer was caring more about his ego and pride than the true safety of the city and its residents, including our protagonists and Winddancer only got himself elected to become mayor to boost his fame and reputation after only starting it off as a movie actor.

Winddancer also agreed to take control of the ZPD while Bogo was in his coma and sent the police after Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles who were innocents and grudgingly break laws simply to protect his job as Mayor and spotless reputation after Milton threatened to fire him from his job as mayor if he didn’t do this task he was ordered to do, instead of simply trying to get the police to lead a proper crime investigation over Bogo’s fanging that would eventually lead to the innocence of Nick and Judy and the crimes of the Lynxleys being discovered and after Nick got arrested, Winddancer simply interrogates Nick on Judy’s whereabouts and has him sent away to prison without mercy after he refuses to talk instead of simply having Nick interrogated further on what really happened with Bogo and his fanging and Gary’s presence in Zootopia.

Although Winddancer does eventually learn of the true crimes of the Lynxley family and the innocence of Nick, Judy and Gary after PawBert unintentionally exposes it and with encouragement from Nibbles, turns against Milton, Cattrick and Kitty and beats them up and calls in the police to come and arrest them and PawBert after Nick, Judy, Nibbles and Gary collect the evidence for their crimes and afterwards sets them free and gives them a proper award ceremony for their heroics and a week break from work to recover from their injuries, approval to work on the field as cops and keep their partnership as cops and new mission to re-capture the 200 criminals Nick and Nibbles freed from prison in order to escape and punished HogBottom and the other cops who committed the police brutality and harassment towards Nick, Gary, Nibbles and Judy with two-year mandatory therapy for their acruons, as an apology gift for his actions, Winddancer gets to keep his job as mayor and fame and fortune and never suffers from the consequences for his wrongdoings and actions despite committing far worse than Mayor Lionheart from the first movie in terms of taking over the police and sending them after innocents while Bogo was in his coma, becoming an accessory to the crimes of Milton alongside the cops who committed the police brutality, he is not arrested and sent to prison or is removed from office as mayor, with a new mayor being elected that is a humble politician or gets his fame dried up and reputation damaged for his actions with Milton. Winddancer isn’t even publicly humiliated for his actions or even scolded and tiraded by Nick, Judy and Bogo for them the same way that Judy scolded Lionheart for his wrongdoings which were somewhat more justified during his arrest in the first Zootopia movie.

All these designated hero characters all in all act as unwilling instigators of doom much like Gideon Gray and the Junior Ranger Scouts in the first Zootopia movie who through their bullying of Nick (Sadistic in the scouts’ case, from self doubt in Gideon’s case.) and Judy caused their fatal flaws before they soon learn to resolve them over the course of two movies due to the consequences and problems for themselves and others caused by it, as well as the sea lion juggler in Marsh Market himself, but are still easily forgiven and let off the hook for them unlike how the Lynxleys are rightfully punished for their own crimes and wrongdoings.

The other easily forgiven moments for Elsa in Frozen (2013), Gene and the NiceLanders in Wreck-It-Ralph (2012), Buck Chuck in Chicken Little (2005), Alma Madrigal as well as Isabela in Encanto (2021) and Namaari in Raya and the Last Dragon (2021) and Simon in Wish (2023) are not included due to them already having documents for that on TV Tropes. Are there Easily Forgiven moments in other Disney Animated Canon movies that I missed? Leave your replies in the comments below.

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 5 days ago

This page primarily talks about “breather episodes” for the different Disney and Pixar animated eras, about animated movies that were considered more lighter and softer and comedic in tone to the more darker and edgier and more emotional movies in the eras:

The more light-hearted but also decent Aristocats (1970) and The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (2011) were released during the Disney Bronze Age before and after some of its darker and more emotional entires like Robin Hood (1973), The Rescuers (1977), The Fox and the Hound (1983) and Black Cauldron (1985) and The Great Mouse Detective (1986).

The Sword in The Stone (1965) at the end of the Disney Sliver Era and Walt Disney’s lifetime in general also serves as one between 101 Dalmatians (1963) and The Jungle Book (1967) and yet it is much less remembered than those more popular movies.

The Disney Sliver Era also started off on a light-hearted note with Alice in WonderLand (1951) and Peter Pan (1953) but not Cinderella (1950) before the movies started getting darker but still light-hearted with Lady and the Tramp (1955), Sleeping Beauty (1959), and 101 Dalmatians (1963).

After the Disney Renaissance Era started off with The Little Mermaid (1989), The Rescuers Down Under (1990) and Beauty and the Beast (1991) which included a combination of both scariness and darkness and light-heartedness, Disney would switch to Aladdin (1992) which relied on less darkness but still with emotion and comedy, before switching back to those tones with The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993), and The Lion King (1994).

After the Renaissance Era continued with serious and bleak movies like The Lion King (1994), Pocahontas (1995) and The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996), Disney would switch to the more light-hearted movie Hercules (1997) before ending the Renaissance Era with the serious and emotional Mulan (1998) and Tarzan (1999) with the final movie even going far as to depict the corpse of the main villain, Clayton after unwillingly strangling himself to death.

After Pixar started out before its Golden Age in the 2000s with Toy Story (1995) and A Bug’s Life (1998) which both included serious themes, scary images and high stakes, Toy Story 2 (1999) while having its darker moments with end Pixar’s brief origins era with a more light-hearted and less scary story with lower stakes.

Fantasia 2000 (1999) and The Emperor’s New Groove (2000) were also among the more light-hearted movies made in the early Disney Experimental Era as opposed to Dinosaur (2000), Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001), Lilo and Stitch (2002), Treasure Planet (2002) and Brother Bear (2003).

The Pixar Golden Age primarily consisted of emotional and dark, mature and seriously themed, scary and high staked animated movies like Monsters’ Inc. (2001), Finding Nemo (2003), The Incredibles (2004) and Ratatouille (2007), Wall-E (2008), Up (2009) and Toy Story 3 (2010.) Only Cars (2006) released between The Incredibles (2004) and Ratatouille (2007) is the more light-hearted pick of the bunch for having less darkness and a lot more comedy and a generic story about a sentient race car Lightning McQueen getting stranded in a town in Route 66 in Arizona and learning about humility nothing to how Finding Nemo (2003), tackled child loss and Up (2009) talked about recovering from grief over loss. Cars (2006) did have a deleted scene that was gonna be scary but it was cut and repurposed as the Cars Toons episode in 2014, Radiator Springs 1/2.

The light-hearted but still serious Bolt (2008) was released after the intensity of Met the Robinsons (2007) and The Princess and the Frog (2009), the latter of whom would serve as the start of the Disney Revival Era.

The more comedic, childish and literally less rational Winnie the Pooh (2011) was released during the start of the Disney Revival Era between its darker and more emotional movies like The Princess and the Frog (2009), Tangled (2010), Wreck-It-Ralph (2012) and Frozen (2013).

After the Pixar Golden Age ended on a high note with Toy Story 3 (2010) which focused on Andy outgrowing his toys and donating them to a new owner Bonnie and included a tragic dark villain, The Pixar Experimental Era started off on a sour note with Cars 2 (2011), the much more denser and wackier sequel about Mater becoming a secret agent before continuing with Brave (2012) which focused on family issues, Monsters’ University (2013) about struggling identity crises and Inside Out (2015) which focused upon emotions, obviously and an imaginary friend, Bing Bong who dies after outliving his usefulness.

Cars 2 (2011) would also serve as a breather before the much more darker and serious Cars 3 (2017) that tackled post-traumatic stress disorder.

After the Disney Revival Era movies, Big Hero 6 (2014), Zootopia (2016) and Moana (2016) which tackled themes like coping with loss, prejudice and discrimination and trying to fulfill your true potential and convince people to fix serious crimes that they made in the past, Ralph Breaks the Internet (2018), the mediocre and denser and wackier sequel to Wreck-It-Ralph (2018) would strike a fatal blow to Disney before it recovered with Frozen II (2019), the sequel to Frozen darker but still keeping the charm of its predecessor.

After Inside Out (2015) and The Good Dinosaur (2015) which focused on enduring dangerous situations with bravery, fufuiling promised for people even after death and emotions, obviously and growing up and adapting to new places that you and your family move to, the more light-hearted Finding Nemo sequel, Finding Dory (2016) would be released which still tackled serious themes like disabilities and parental abandonment.

Cars 3 (2017) and Coco (2017) would then both be released after which tackled much darker issues like the main protagonist, Lightning recovering from a dangerous and violent crash in one of his Piston Cup races and family issues and character dynamics.

The Pixar Revival Era started off with Onward (2020), a light-hearted story that also still had serious themes likd dealing with loss and identity issues, before continuing with Soul (2020), a much darker movie about mid-life crises and finding the purpose of living and the coming of age Luca (2021) would also serve as a breather for Pixar after Soul and before Turning Red (2022), Lightyear (2022) and Elemental (2023) which were more emotionally complex and darker by comparison.

The darker but also engaging Raya and the Last Dragon (2021) would be released before Encanto (2021), a more light-hearted musical story that still tackled serious issues, character complexes and family dynamics.

Strange World (2022) and Wish (2023) continued the rest of the Disney Revival Era on a smooth sailing, light-hearted and less dark and edgy tone, before Moana 2 (2024) and Zootopia 2 (2025) were released which had higher stakes and darker moments and more serious themes.

As a lesser note, Zootopia+ was a light-hearted slice of life series of the Zootopia supporting characters before the release of Zootopia 2 which shifted its focus back towards the protagonists, Judy Hopps and Nick Wilde and them testing their partnership in higher stakes and more emotional dynamics.

Elio (2025), a Pixar movie that was a light-hearted story about choosing reality over fantasy while still having emotional complexes, was released after Inside Out 2 (2024) and Moana 2 (2024) which focused on puberty, emotions like anxiety and having panic attacks and about a more higher stakes adventure that intially kills the titular protagonist before she is revived, with more focus on the dueteragonist, Maui, and before Zootopia 2 (2025) which tackled more darker and serious themes like police brutality, colonization, genocide, more threatening villains, abuse of power, and the dangers of gullibility, destroying one’s relationships with their close friends and families by avoiding trauma, insecurities and acting emotionally closed off and obsessed with doing the thing who perceive as right and accepting your friends for who they are despite their differences and actually put the protagonists in near-death experiences (More so in Judy Hopps’ case) and gave Nick Wilde more solo screen time without Judy, character development, a Jerkass realization and self-reflection where he develops into a much better partner to Judy and apologizes and finally confesses his love for her.

The more light-hearted but still high staked Hoppers (2026) would be released after Zootopia 2 (2025) and before Toy Story 5 (2026) which will include those similar dark themes.

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 10 days ago

Notable Examples of Half-Baked Redemptions:

Nom Nom (We Bare Bears Seasons 1-3): Nom Nom spends the first two seasons serving as its main antagonist and an egocentric internet celebrity towards Grizz, Panda and Ice Bear as he tricks Grizz into betraying his brothers in his debut episode, “Viral Video”, imprisons Ice Bear and tricks Grizz and Panda into a deadly stunt that would help him regain his status as the internet celebrity he is in “Nom Nom” and caused Panda to lose his status as a internet famous bear in “Panda’s Sneeze” out of jealousy and antagonized the Bears and Captain Craboo in “Captain Craboo” extensively to the point where he tried to get them all arrested and sent to prison until the Bears had to let Craboo go for his safety by sending him to the ocean and parting ways with him for good and though Nom Nom gets his karma by being arrested and sent to prison for kicking one of the cops, and refusing to apologize for it and the Bears’ sentence is shifted to community service, Nom Nom is not kept locked up in prison forever but he is eventually set free, and the latter was totally unearned. His fame also never dries up or gets damaged after the conflict.

However, the incident in “Christmas Parties”, where the Bears are invited to Nom Nom’s Christmas Party at his mansion and rushed through their friends’ own Christmas parties to attend if was never Nom Nom’s fault but rather a social media guy whom Nom Nom fires and also the Bears’ until they manage to reconcile and make amends with Ranger Tabes, Charlie and Chloe for rushing through their parties and unintentionally ruining them.

In the third season, Nom Nom has a redemption arc in a few episodes like “Anger Management”, “Vacation”, “Crobar Jones: Origins” but it felt unearned since the koala forgets his character development and keeps up some of his old habits and rivalry with the Bears in future episodes like “The Nom Nom Show” instead of growing out of them and has no true character buildup or conflict to his redemption, already crossed the moral event horizon in “Captain Craboo” and never suffers from the consequences for his actions like losing his fame and status as an internet celebrity forever and his mansion or get arrested and locked up in prison forever and have the Bears claim his fame and reputation in his place.

Ralph also deserves a page on Loathsome Characters for being a hate sink and the complete opposite of Charlie who meanwhile needs a page on Incredible Characters Wiki in many ways. Ralph never appeared in the We Bare Bears since “Ice Cave” for a reason, he was dropped for being too unlikable.

Well-written examples of redemptions:

Officer Murphy (We Bare Bears: The Movie): Unlike Nom Nom, Murphy’s redemption wasn’t forced at all, he started off as a by-the-book cop who unlike the rest of the public of the San Francisco Bay Area had no grudge against the Bears and refused to press serious charges towards them for making a mess in the city while racing to the new poutine shop as it was unintentional and for starting the black out as through their internet wide live stream were just trying to gain attention and respect until Agent Trout came along and pressured Murphy and his fellow cops into aiding him in his mission in de-tainting the Bears and having them imprisoned in nature reserves in the form of prison camps in their original habitats separating them in the process for his evil goals out of the threat of causing him and his fellow cops to lose their jobs if they refuse and lie that he was trying to act as a well-intentioned extremist to stop the antics of the Bears to gain attention for good, and while Murphy did serve Trout in his manhunt for the Bears when they try to get to Canada to seek refugee there since then, he did so out of reluctance, played zero part in Trout’s crimes and cruelty and finally draws the line with his alliance with Trout when he was revealed to be a not-so-well intentioned extremist in terms of finally capturing the Bears but having them seperated, imprisoned and tortured for the rest of their lives as a karmic overkill to make himself look like a hero with previous fame and power in the eyes of those who look down on the Bears for freeing those people from their antics and preserve the humans domination, animals inferior act he preserves to keep that power and reputation, instead of giving the Bears a softer punishment for their mistakes like prison or community service or reasoning with the people who look down on the bears to accept their presence, and Murphy has his redemption by betraying Trout putting his job as a cop at risk and aiding the Bears as well as the caged bears that Grizz freed in their escape and saving them from the forest fire that they got entangled in and afterwards has Trout arrested and sent to prison for all the evil actions he committed and afterwards has the Bears set free from their livestream crime and allowed to return home to the San Francisco Bay Area taking all the caged bears with them and convinces its Public to finally accept Grizz, Panda and Ice for who they are as well as all the other caged bears who moved there and became anthropomorphic like them.

Yuri (We Bare Bears, Yuri and the Bear): He started off as a hermit in Siberia who acted hostile towards others over his depression and Anger over the death of his wife and his daughter getting kidnapped until he Mets Ice Bear who was a polar bear Cub at the time and despite acting aggressive towards him at first, he ends up bonding with him after Ice offers to serve as a housekeeper to him in his hut and he does helpful chores and duties in Yuri’s hut in return for earning love and compassion from Yuri himself to the point where they almost form a father-son relationship, helping Yuri move on from his dark and troubled past but also since Ice had a similar experience in terms of losing his parents do poachers. Yuri also taught Ice everything he knew in his adulthood and protected him the poachers who killed his parents who were after him next.

Though Yuri did turn hostile towards Ice Bear again and chase him away after he gifted him with a wooden horse he made identical to the one originally owned by his daughter and the photo of him and his wife and daughter before losing them and accidentally breaking the photo and breaking his one rule of not to open the chest that he contained the photo in, he quickly showed remorse over it and regretted it when realizing that he let his anger over reliving his past traumas get the best of him and Ice was trying to support him over his losses, not dishearten him and therefore goes to rescue Ice from the poachers after he crosses paths with them again, reconciling and making amends with him heartily in the process and pulls off a sacrifice to ensure that Ice got to safety in terms of putting him on an ice floe sailing safely away from the poachers and into the town from “A Band of Outsiders” and Ice still remembered and honored Yuri and his sacrifice since then as did Yuri with Ice.

Though Ice and Yuri never met again, Ice did eventually Met and cross paths with Yuri’s long-lost daughter in “Icy Nights 1 and 2”

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 17 days ago

In the episode, “Gideon Rises”, Gideon Gleeful’s plans after stealing the Mystery Shack from the Pines family were to convert it into Gideon Land and find the other two journals (Journals 1 and 3) to use to join together with Journal 2 to create a gateway to unimaginable power which Gideon would use to become the famous psychic he was once more and rule the town as the master of all magic and have revenge on Dipper and Mabel for initially taking it all away from him in his debut episode. But Gideon never once studied Journal 2 hard enough to figure out:

  1. Bringing the journals together would not open the getaway to the power Gideon desired as it was an actual portal hidden under the Mystery Shack that the evil boy never discovered due to it not being written in Journal 3 and the multiverse once traveling across if would not give Gideon the power that he desired but Bill Cipher might if

  2. Gideon never learned of the existence of Journal 3 due to Ford likely ripping out the “To Be Continued in Journal 3” tag at the end of Journal 2 before he hid it near the Gravity Falls elementary school where Gideon found it and made him the corrupted by power villain that he is.

Once Gideon finally got his hands on Journal 3, instead reading and studying it as well as Journal 2 and learn the journals’ secrets hidden with the black light long enough to learn the existence of the underground lab the code to it in the vending machine where Journal 1 and the portal are hidden, he instead jumps to the conclusion that Dipper owned Journal 1 alongside the third journal and chases after Dipper and Mabel in his giant robot to claim the journal, not hesitating in causing property damage and reckless endangerment in the process, which sets off

the chain of events that leads to his defeat and arrest and the destruction of his robot at Dipper’s hands due to it providing Stan with the evidence being Gideon being a fraud psychic in the meantime for the cops to arrest Gideon for that and his property damage and reckless endangerment and give Stan, Dipper and Mabel the Mystery Shack back also stopping Dipper and Mabel from leaving the town and getting home to Piedmont, California. Gideon also chooses to bring both Journals 2 and 3 with him when he goes after the Pines Twins on his robot causing him to lose both journals to Dipper and Stan.

In the episode, “Sock Opera” Bill Cipher possessed Dipper’s body so that he could destroy the laptop of Ford and Journal 3 to prevent Dipper from learning the existence of the inter dimensional portal Stan (I think Bill possessed him to re-activate the portal wirhout pre-cautions through the tatto he gained in the fight with Ford that started it all thirty years prior.) was re-activating currently to bring Ford back home so that Bill and his maniacs could easily use the portal to take over Gravity Falls and its dimension with no one to stop him due to the journal being what lead to Dipper discovering the portal’s existence with Soos and Mabel and almost shutting it down before Stan stops them in “Not What He Seems” (Except that Ford according to Journal 3, beat Bill and his maniacs to the portal in the nightmare realm leading to his dimension and severed the link from the other side using a Grenade in a failed attempt at destroying Bill with his quantum destabilizer built in his thirty year journey across the multiverse.) and then kill Dipper body and the boy’s spirit.

However Bill simply choose to injure and toy around with Dipper’s body to the point where he gets it exhausted due to having no knowledge of the human body causing him to lose the body back to Dipper ruining his plans in the process.

In “The Society of the Blind Eye”, the titular society and Blind Ivan are well-intentioned extremists trying to erase the town’s memories of the town’s paranormal activity so their mental health wouldn’t be damaged by it, but they never once stop to realize the damage their actions cause in terms of damaging the townsfolk’s sanities and making them oblivious as the memory gun’s side effects and have the memories of the townspeople put in the hall of the Forgetten instead of being destroyed and while they do erase Pacifica and Robbie’s memories of the events of “Fight Fighters” and “Golf War” they never try to erase the memories of Dipper, Mabel, Soos, Wendy and Stan some of whom are related to Ford and saw most of the town’s paranormal activity and by the time they consider doing so they are too late.

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 17 days ago

One thing that confused me about the ending to Zootopia 2, is that even though Mayor Winddancer and the ZPD hold a proper ceremony for Nick and Judy in terms of giving them medals for their heroics in solving the Lynxley Conspiracy, why don’t Gary the Snake and Nibbles the Beaver get medals either, even though they played an important role in helping Nick and Judy solve the conspiracy and Gary had started it all, do the medals only belong to the ZPD cops who played a part in solving the Lynxley Conspiracy and not the non-cops that aided in solving it too, now that is not fair.

This is similar to the controversy in Star Wars: A New Hope over Chewbacca never getting a medal, though expanded universe comics confirm that he did get one but offscreen. I think that an episode of the second season of Zootopia+ set during the events of Zootopia 2 in its ending will take a humorous take on the controversy by showing a gag where Clawhauser carried the tray with Nick, Judy, Gary and Nibbles’ medals on it in their ceremony, until he gets distracted by assuming that the Zebros dances with Gazelle in her earlier performance out of jealousy and drops the tray and while Nick and Judy’s medals stay intact, Gary and Nibbles’s medals break into pieces and Claqhauser tries to hide the pieces out of guilt, explaining why Gary and Nibbles never got medals.

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u/Over_Pudding3896 — 1 month ago