u/Mannerpunker

The idea of theoretical magicians (or magicians that rarely use their magic) really appeals to me, I’m realising on my second read of Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell.

I do love my epic fantasy, but sometimes it feels like wizards are all too ready to use their strength, which even for noble ends can be disastrous. the idea of being hesitant to use great power really gives weight to their actions when they do, and I need to see more of it. It’s reminiscent of nuclear weapons in our world.

I know Gandalf is quite like this in Lord of the Rings, but I’m going to start to keep a look out for this more.

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u/Mannerpunker — 13 days ago
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I’m re-reading Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. The first time I started reading it, I thought the footnotes were a nice touch to the worldbuilding. It gives you the sense that you’re reading a historical account, which is very much the kind of fiction I love.

But then they got longer and longer, whole pages worth, and they started to bug me. Especially when we’re, say, in the middle of the Battle of Waterloo and the action stops for a footnote.

Going through the book again, I’m finding it more fun now that I know the characters and lore, but am still not all that pleased with just how extensive they are!

I wonder if footnotes will catch on more.

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u/Mannerpunker — 13 days ago

I’m re-reading Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell. The first time I started reading it, I thought the footnotes were a nice touch to the worldbuilding. It gives you the sense that you’re reading a historical account, which is very much the kind of fiction I love.

But then they got longer and longer, whole pages worth, and they started to bug me. Especially when we’re, say, in the middle of the Battle of Waterloo and the action stops for a footnote.

Going through the book again, I’m finding it more fun now that I know the characters and lore, but am still not all that pleased with just how extensive they are!

I wonder if footnotes will catch on more.

u/Mannerpunker — 13 days ago

What great duos the writers of these shows made for their leads! Of course Interview is from Anne Rice's source material, but they made creative decisions that altered Louis’ race to African American, and moves us forwards in time from the novel into 20th Century New Orleans. Which works to explore how race changes the power dynamics that are inherent to an almighty, immortal vampire and their prey.

It's funny, tragically, the way Jacob Anderson’s Louis de Point du Lac has powers that in any other story would let him act in any which way he pleases, but in early 20th Century New Orleans, he has to deal with the same social pressures as any other African American in Louisiana, that renders him fangless (hehe). And so, much of the conflict comes from Louis being pitted against human obstacles in typical ways of the era, and in which I sometimes forgot I was watching a vampire show at all.

But more than anything, LOVE the comparison Rice makes between the Chevalier de Lorraine in the Versailles TV show and Lestat. They both make such a show of what they are; the Chevalier, the aristocracy; and Lestat, an all powerful vampire in the way Louis can't in the TV, and doesn't want to in the first book. It's all about etiquette and rules and manners!

u/Mannerpunker — 24 days ago

Just had some early thoughts on Swordspoint.

How does the protagonist, Richard, navigate this world when he admittedly can’t read or write? He can’t hope to match the intellect of the nobles, and he knows it. So he leverages his place in society as best he can, as a swordsman.

But he’s not just a swordsman, he’s the best swordsman in Riverside. It must be known that he will protect the ones he loves, and he will not sell his honour. Most of all, he will not be bought or bribed. Richard St. Vier does not do weddings! He will not dance, and scrape, and bow for the amusement of his betters. Insofar as there is a theme in Swordspoint, this feels the most prevalent to me. In a society that forces you to be a brute, there is grace in doing bad things for good reasons and noble ends. And this is the virtue Richard carved out for himself in a society of backstabbing and lawful front-stabbing. 

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u/Mannerpunker — 26 days ago

I’ve heard great things about The Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison, and was also pleasantly surprised to find out it’s a Fantasy of Manners!

I love finding books that create entire new worlds and operate in a Fantasy of Manners style, it’s a nice change from mannerpunk set on earth.

Have you read it? What do you think about it? No spoilers 😬

u/Mannerpunker — 29 days ago

Jane Austen typifies the Comedy of Manners genre, which is why the Regency Era is so closely associated with it. But would you ever want to see a Comedy of Manners in other settings? Jonathon Strange and Mr. Norrell is set just before the era, and I think it's the most successful Comedy/Fantasy of Manners property in the modern day.

So can the genre ever take on another aesthetic? A stronger one? What would it be?

Steampunk, Cyberpunk, Solarpunk etc all evoke specific imagery, and maybe Mannerpunk doesn't need to... but I do wonder what it would be.

u/Mannerpunker — 29 days ago

I'd love to have seen what Oscar Wilde or Jane Austen would have written if they'd ever done a fantasy. But would it have necessarily looked like the "fantasy of manners" of Susanna Clarke or Ellen Kushner?

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