u/Johnraymassoud

Vox Article: Americans Disapprove of Factory Farm Practices, Fine with Eating Meat that Mostly Comes from Factory Farms. “The Meat Paradox.”
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Vox Article: Americans Disapprove of Factory Farm Practices, Fine with Eating Meat that Mostly Comes from Factory Farms. “The Meat Paradox.”

Interesting article summarizing a lot of research on lack of public awareness of factory farming’s prevalence, cognitive dissonance, moral attitudes, etc. Gist I think is American attitudes are an outgrowth of both ignorance and human psychology, ie, the brain’s aggressive efforts to ignore or rationalize information that might require you to completely change your habits or outlook. Then few people see meat consumption per se (ie, in isolation from considering where the meat comes from, which most people don’t want to think too hard about) as a moral issue.

Proposal at the end is that the best thing to do now is push for more humane farming practices—incremental improvement focusing on things the public actually can be persuaded to care about. Notes the success of activism around cage-free eggs as an example.

Not to ignite a variation of what I’m sure is a well-trodden debate on this sub, but some musings…

Reminds me of the early abolition movement: arguments focusing on things like the trauma of crew members transporting slaves (yes, really—see the work of Thomas Clarkson) were more successful early on in persuading people who otherwise wouldn’t care to end the slave trade. Then focusing on the greed of slaveholding aristocrats—they’re taking white jobs!

Similarly, criticisms of factory farms based on corporate greed/concern for small farms seem to resonate with a lot of people. Environmental concerns work sometimes too, though there’s obviously already a lot of overlap between vegetarians/vegans and people who care about the environment.

Then health concerns are also frequently effective, and can be linked to the corporate greed angle—people understand that inhumane mass production tactics lead to lower quality, even dangerous foods. Think Upton Sinclair’s “The Jungle”—supposed to be about corporate greed and inhumane conditions for the workers (he portrayed horrific things happening to the animals, but even that was more about the working conditions for the humans), but what the public heard was, “oh my God, the way make our meat is disgusting, we need to fix that!”

Point is, people’s cognitive defenses activate when you make variations of the core “killing and torturing animals unnecessarily is wrong” argument. Rarely respond to new information or evidence by adjusting their outlook, just rationalize it in their existing frames. (Of course, I doubt this thread would exist if that was universally true—this is just a general observation.) The article notes even IVF and using marijuana are far more likely to be seen by Americans as morally wrong than eating meat.

Then again, I’m not aware of a successful “treat the slaves humanely” movement (which, to be clear, I’m not saying would’ve been the right approach). I think this was tried in England, but the slave plantations refused to follow the rules, so then that helped cement that abolition was the only solution. Don’t know about anything comparable in the States. This is far from a perfect historical comparison.

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u/Johnraymassoud — 1 day ago
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Gettysburg Museum Chess Set: Historically Accurate/Plausible Board Setup?

Image from the Gettysburg Museum. A bit hard to tell, but looks to me the Kings aren’t facing each other. I don’t know a lot of chess history, but I think Kings facing each other was standardized early on. I also understand Howard Staunton published standardizations of the rules and board set up in 1847 and 1860, right before the Civil War started.

This chess set belonged to Union General Abner Doubleday. Possible this is a recreation of an actual board position, and the game was just set up wrong (or Black was trolling I guess), but the people at the museum didn’t know.

Anyone know if the board being set up with the black king on a black square, not facing the white king, would’ve been an accepted way to play at this time? Trying to figure out if this is a careless museum mistake or just a historical thing. Again, obviously possible it’s from a real game where the board was just set up that way, just trying to figure out how likely that is.

For reference, the Battle of Gettysburg was in early July 1863, in Pennsylvania. And I got a contact at the museum to ask, but wanted to get thoughts here too before I reach out.

Thanks!

u/Johnraymassoud — 4 days ago
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Tell Your Senators to Vote NO on the Farm Bill: Horrific Pig Crating Passed the House Narrowly, Now It’s In the Senate

You can see my prior post explaining what this monstrosity is here — unfortunately, it narrowly passed the House, so only the Senate can stop it now — know it’s hard to care twice, or more, but that’s the only way anything gets better:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vegetarianism/comments/1sz7dcf/national\_pig\_crating\_bill\_up\_for\_vote\_tomorrow/

Call your Senators! You can look up their official page to find the phone number, or call (202) 224-3121 (it’s a switchboard that will connect you to the right office).

Or you can send an email using this link:

https://aldf.org/article/tell-congress-oppose-the-house-farm-bill/

Here’s my own explanation of what’s going on, copy-pasted from the prior post:

Basically, there’s a really (in my view) evil provision in the Farm Bill that’s coming up for a vote tomorrow, called the Save Our Bacon Act (euphemism courtesy of the corporate pork lobby) — it would overrule already existing state laws that prevent pigs from spending their entire lives in a tiny gestation crate.

Really sick stuff — pig intelligence/emotions are on par with dogs. And there’s bipartisan opposition, which is a rare enough thing these days — Rep. Paulina Luna (very rightwing) tried to get this provision out of the farm bill, probably because these kinds of poor conditions are also really bad for health/food quality (think Wuhan wet markets — disease incubators).

In other words, even non-vegetarians should care about this for (1) health issues and (2) the blatant attempt by the pork lobby to trample on states’ rights to set their own animal welfare/health standards. So, spread the word!

Then Vox did a good writeup:

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/488637/pigs-gestation-crates-farm-bill-congress

u/Johnraymassoud — 5 days ago
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Now *this* is what I’m talking about when I talk about associates working hard to support the partners — you all need to up your game.

(Joking around, sounds like a good deed!)

u/Johnraymassoud — 20 days ago
▲ 158 r/vegetarian+3 crossposts

Basically, there’s a really (in my view) evil provision in the Farm Bill that’s coming up for a vote tomorrow, called the Save Our Bacon Act (euphemism courtesy of the corporate pork lobby) — it would overrule already existing state laws that prevent pigs from spending their entire lives in a tiny gestation crate. Something those of us who are vegetarians for ethical and health reasons should be very concerned about.

Really sick stuff — pig intelligence/emotions are on par with dogs. And there’s bipartisan opposition, which is a rare enough thing these days — Rep. Paulina Luna (very rightwing) tried to get this provision out of the farm bill, probably because these kinds of poor conditions are also really bad for health/food quality (think Wuhan wet markets — disease incubators).

In other words, even non-vegetarians should care about this for (1) health issues and (2) the blatant attempt by the pork lobby to trample on states’ rights to set their own animal welfare/health standards. So, spread the word!

The vote is TOMORROW (Thursday, April 29). Please call your representatives at (202) 225-3121 and tell them to vote NO. I have some brief experience fielding these kinds of calls — no, one person calling doesn’t matter much, but yes, politicians absolutely pay attention if a lot of people call about the same thing in a short time period.

More info here, including an easy way to send a written statement online if that’s more your thing:

https://www.hfa.org/oppose-save-our-bacon-act.html

And here:

https://x.com/lewis\_bollard/status/2049189900688519611?s=46&t=P6RsmCYs0PC0OYyOU\_GgFg

u/Johnraymassoud — 21 days ago