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I’ve seen a lot of metal masters vs metal fury team battles this week and a lot of people seem to be giving the upper echelon of metal masters characters(Gingka, Ryuga, & Kyoya) the win. While it’s true these characters are strong they don’t compare to the top tier Legendary bladers.

Before I go into this I want to go over the starfragment as my entire argument pretty much hinges on that. The starfragment is what gives these bladers the edge hear when have see it twice in the series of how crazy just the raw awakening of the power is. We see it first with yuki a guy who is introduced and is probably a mid tier metal fusion blader(I think he could’ve made it battle bladers but reji smokes him) to by just awakening having enough raw power to actually push back metal fury ryuga. While yes you can say Ryuga was suppressed but he was in attack mode when he got pushed so he was giving a bit of effort nothing to crazy but the point still stands. Yuki went from mid metal fusion tier to arguably top 12 in the entire series just from awakening. It’s also important to note that yuki doesn’t actually train the only thing he does post this is gain confidence so essentially the yuki that faught Ryuga is the same yuki throughout metal fury with but less battle experience of course.

Then we have Chris. Who was strong already in base. If I were to rank him he would be about high metal masters tier as he beasts everyone but Stops at end of masters Damien. Chris goes from that level to literally arguably top 5 or top 4 if you include Kenta or not and not including Rago just by awakening. Masamune who has been training with king and is much stronger than he was in destroyer domb got absolutely destroyed by Chris like it was no contest, masamune literally got beat so bad he looked like a metal fusion ryuga victim. But yeah this is the power to the starfragment it takes bladers(talented or not) to new crazy heights. It’s truly the biggest power creep plot device in the show.

Now on to kyoya. Metal fury episode 1 kyoya before awakening is about equal to end of metal masters Gingka(btw based on spiral force feats and statements end of masters Gingka and ryuga are extremely relative with the side leading slightly towards Ryuga). So Kyoya at the beginning of fury is already competent to Ryuga and it would literally take an extreme diff effort from Ryuga to take him down and that’s pre awakening. Kyoya awakens and even if you want down play him at the very very worse it’s literally just metal masters the same Kyoya with the crazy raw power of the starfragment. That is enough power to demolish everyone in masters mid diff. Keep in mind also this is Kyoya before he gets seasoned with the power so he’s much weaker than he was against aguma. And aguma actually gave him a high diff fight despite kyoya being more seasoned with the power that on its own should show you that legendary bladers aren’t getting touched by masters characters especially the top tier fury ones. Anyways Kyoya with this crazy boost would win against metal masters Ryuga, truly believe even if mindset wise Ryuga is the better blader pure stats alone win this for Kyoya. It’s kind of like comparing captain ginyu to goten. While yes captain ginyu is the more experienced and season fighter Goten based of pure stats just mogs him. At the end of the mentally and experience can’t close a gap that is that big, it can only close a gap that is small.

We should also note that metal masters Ryuga Does NOT have the ability to steal power he can only steal spin strength which is just a glorified stamina boost Ldrago doesn’t actually get any stronger when he does. So the “ohh couldn’t Ryuga just absorb the power” argument does work here. Also that would out of character for masters Ryuga characterization he all about gain stats through grit work ethic.

TLDR: Starfragment busted so Kyoya beat Ryuga

Also u should say think you for reading this mini novel and I’m open to hearing other view points about this as well as my whole argument stems of the pure power of the starfragment so if you can debunk then you beat my entire stance.

I made a post awhile ago on my thoughts(https://www.reddit.com/r/dbxv/s/EpmFn0Hv26) on the Xenoverse 2 roaster. TLDR I pretty much said I don’t believe super would be in the game since they’re remaking are releasing the arcs. I made this post because I was kind scared for this games dlc life.

Obviously Xenoverse 3 will have an immense amount of content but after maybe 8 month the content will dry up and people will be looking toward the next expansion. I and releasing the DBS character later gives the dev team time tilt flesh out each relevant character in those arcs or movies, i mean I hope we don’t get into the situation where we are asking of base versions of characters in the games .

Expansions do breathe life into a game look a FigherZ for example. And usually in xenoverse games an expansion is just the addition of characters, a few quest, and some story missions usually a compact and small expansion of the game. But if xenoverse 3 is going to include everything go Z, GT, Daima, Super(outside of Moro and granola) what if they Go a Destiny 2 route on how they release expansions but in th Xenoverse lens. Here is what I mean destiny 2 is know from relaxing one big expansion per year that add a lot of content and to play(up until final shape that is) and they don’t really add new characters just guns, subclasses, and new worlds. So in Xenoverse terms this could be a new new hub world area, an dense amount of parrelel quest(20-15), new skills for mentors to teach, new mentors in general, a decently sized expansion story mode, new cac races, and much more. Again I’m not a game dev but this could be route Xenoverse will do down if they don’t want to a character expansion route and instead do a more content expansion route and really flesh out the games mmorpg elements.

I don’t know what do you guys think

Now that Xenoverse 3 has been officially announced(THANK GOD) what do you guys think they will do about the roaster?

One of the effects of xv2 10 years of service was its very extensive roaster. The game went of so long they started sellling us lesser form version of characters we already head. This has lead to the xv2 roaster becoming absolutely huge.

In my opinion I don’t think xv2 will have DBS super stuff outside of beerus. The reason I’m saying this is because since super is technically getting redone it would make sense to plan dlc releases with th super remake. I’m sure the next DLC would be ROF related since ROF is getting redone as well. I think the roaster will be Just OG DB(King piccolo and piccolo), All of Z, All of GT, Daima, some 13 Dragon ball movies(Slig, turles, cooler, broke, and janemba since there are in the base game roaster). While this sucks if they really go into GT And Daima and give us everything from those anime’s then this could be the supplement for super lacking in the game for the moment. Also even if they these specific arcs they can truly expand of the roaster of these arc. For example we can get final form zarbon, all of bardock crew, paragus, king vegeta, Garlic Jr, evil buu, second from cell, trunks melee, DKP, coolers armored squadrant etc. if you get what I mean. If they do leave our super then no character in these arcs should be left out or not included

I think this is the most likely Senerio as they will probably still adopt the DLC model as a way to bring out content.

But what do you guys think are you guy down for the roaster to be everything BUT super? Or do you guys want dbs in the game. To me I just don’t think it’s realistic since they are redoing everything up until moro