u/HeathJett

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https://preview.redd.it/8b9bqlm92vyg1.png?width=961&format=png&auto=webp&s=27397f063c9f56f89398e66b6cb9b33de6e0a794

https://preview.redd.it/mluxxyza2vyg1.png?width=930&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7929a8415380654709dad5c1396017fac24c8c9

At least according to AI, the image in the photograph and the coordinates I entered that were listed in the documentary say this is the same hill.

However, Bob Lazar has stated that the hanger doors had a 60 degree angle to match the slope of the mountain:

https://youtu.be/o-3PYL1isrM?si=VR1YdaxDtwESa0UX&t=1680

(Of note, Bob originally stated the slope to be 30 degrees https://youtu.be/BoJmd2MIpOk?si=WDBXuUVq6K4KtEB9&t=755, but later changed to 60 degrees, possibly changing the story due to realizing that a 30 degree angle hanger door would create very visible doors, or maybe he orginally got grade and degrees interchanged?)

The 60 degree angle appears to be what is portrayed in the new documentary and also from the Lazar Tape from 1991.

https://preview.redd.it/c9ek2ea0avyg1.png?width=1096&format=png&auto=webp&s=c08344217312dec36eb8d7e2f33365470ca23f3c

https://preview.redd.it/dvqo0qh9avyg1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=34ef753da84f38c2567263d6d337fe95f92b8b2b

But here is the problem, when I ask Gemini "What is the slope of that hill?", it says it is approximately 8 to 17 degrees?? That is much more shallow than the 60 degrees Bob Lazar claimed the hanger doors were.

I double checked Genimi's analysis by running a slope estimate on google earth, and it gave me similar numbers with a max slope of 19.6 degrees.

Slope estimate from side view

Another Slope Measurement form Bird's Eye View

So, if this hill truly, at most, has a 20 degree slope, the 60 degree hangers purported by Bob would not work on this hill.

Next, I drew a white box over the first hanger door like this:

https://preview.redd.it/qjfe72dwbvyg1.png?width=887&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5691ae2e0536012fd2c836cf94d7820dde1b131

I then asked Gemini if this white box was a hanger with a 60 degree slope, would that hanger match the slope of this hill. This is what it said:

Based on a strictly topographical analysis of the hill at 37°06'50.0"N 115°50'18.0"W, it is highly unlikely that the white box naturally correlates with a 60-degree slope.

1. The Conflict Between Claims and Topography

  • The Natural Slope: Geological data and satellite elevation models show the natural incline of this specific hill is approximately 17 degrees. A 60-degree slope is nearly four times steeper than the actual terrain, making it a vertical cliff-like feature that would be extremely prominent and physically distinct from the rest of the mound.
  • The Lazar Narrative: The "60-degree" figure is specifically provided by Bob Lazar to describe camouflaged hangar doors.

2. Proportional Mismatch

  • Scale: If the white box truly represented a 60-degree structure on a hill that only rises 80 feet, it would create a massive, sharp "step" in the mountain's profile.
  • Visual Evidence: In both the "actual photograph" and Google Earth renders, the hill maintains a relatively consistent, gentle gradient. There is no topographical "break" or sharp vertical face that matches a 60-degree angle at that location.

3. Conclusion on Correlation

  • Correlation with the Story: The white box correlates with the location of the alleged hangars in the Lazar story.
  • Correlation with the Physics: The box does not correlate with a 60-degree physical feature. If a 60-degree hangar door were placed there, it would not "match" the slope; it would be a distinct, steep protrusion that contradicts the natural 17-degree topography of the hill.

I would love someone to double check this slope info and I certainly could be missing something, but based on my review it seems very unlikley that this hill and these images match Bob's account of 60 degree hanger doors built into the side of a steep mountain. This hill's slope just doesn't appear to correlate with that account.

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u/HeathJett — 11 days ago
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First from the Jesse Michels interview this year, Bob says the sports model was recovered from the water:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpWe3n5XZDs

Jesse: was there any talk of how these crafts were retrieved

Bob: I know I mean I know the Navy got the Sport model and I think that, from what Barry said that was an archaeologic which, by the way, isn't in the desert it's in the water And I if there's another term for an archeological dig that's in the water I don't know what it is I thought it's still a dig but yeah that I don't know what body of water if it was the ocean or lake or what but yeah that came from the water, again according to Barry, I didn't see this in documentation but yeah that was happened upon by the Navy and that's that's all I know, and that's I just theorize that's how the Navy got in control of everything it's what you constantly

https://youtu.be/LpWe3n5XZDs?si=X9EVJVJcIxbJYrrU&t=217

Later at this spot in the episode. Jesse asks:

Jesse: Would any of the scientific principles that you looked at as far as the bubble being created around the craft and all that somehow be immune to salt water like would it be able to travel trans medium

 Bob: Yeah, Absolutely! Light bent around the craft... yeah I'm sure a raindrop would too

 

https://youtu.be/LpWe3n5XZDs?si=zYqhGkrsBDKgyqhv&t=248

Then in this segment the S-4 director seems to imply Bob Lazar has known these items are associated with the ocean when he worked at S-4 in 1989:

S-4 Director: I've been involved in this whole thing since 1987 and since the 80s or even before let's go even all the way down to the 60s everybody always talked about the US Air Force and Project Blue Book and Project Blue Book yeah I mean Bob Lazar comes out in 1989 and says they weren't crash saucers they were intact craft yeah and it's the Navy that's in charge and funny enough 40 years later that's what people are talking about. So you know when I see then you whistleblowers come out like Eric Davis yeah or people that we're seeing I'm not skeptical at the fact that they were involved in something what I find very like basically very interesting is that they're all saying exactly what Bob said in 1989 but they never say Bob Lazar is possibly factually right.

The problem with all of this… is that Bob wasn't saying all this in 1989. It is true that he said he said his paycheck came from the Department of Naval intelligence, but in 1989 and for at least 25 plus years after this, Bob never mentioned anything about the Sports Model being recovered from a water archeological dig.

 

 Bob Lazar - International UFO Congress (2015)

   

https://preview.redd.it/3by1skhgbvxg1.png?width=356&format=png&auto=webp&s=0835ad26735785b73dbaf8064a2c0c65ac7fb9f9

This is apparent from this interview with George Knapp at the 2015 International UFO Congress

George: It occurs to you. hey this could work not only in space but underwater maybe that's why the Navy's interested running the program I mean that it's odd isn't it that it's the US Navy run the program out there you know?

Bob: That never occurred to me, no, I swear!... to this I'd never even thought about that thing operating underwater.

George: It would work just fine wouldn't it?

Bob:  I guess… I don't know I..I mean yeah I don't understand why I wouldn't but it would be interesting to see what the water does

  

So here is my problem. If Barry told Bob Lazar in 1989 that the sports model had been an archeological retrieval from water, why the heck is 2015 Bob Lazar completely surprised at the idea of the sports model UFO working in water?

 

This makes no sense at all. That would have been a major consideration if it had been found in water, and if Bob had been told by Barry it had been found in water, but Bob in 2015 is surprised by this idea, and not really sure the sports model would be able to travel in water.

 

While various rationalizations could be created to address this contradiction, the evidence suggests that the detail about the 'sports model' being retrieved from water is a later addition to Bob Lazar’s narrative, at least in my opinion. If you find any faults in my research on this please let me know and would love to know your thoughts…

 

*********************************************UPDATE****************************************

I just found this very early interview from I believe 1989, on the Billy Goodman show

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=037JjaeRUKg&t=411s

Caller: Hello silly play Lee Samuels?? hello Billy how are you Bob how are you. Bob a couple of questions number one I'm cruising down Jones ave my cellular phone here, uh how long has that craft been on the been on the on this Earth?

Bob: I really don't know I don't even know how long it's been down at S-4

 

Caller: You know where… where it has originally landed at

 

Bob: no  you got me on all that stuff they really never keep me in as to uh…

 

Caller: Could have been here for years?

 

Bob: Yeah or it could have been, you know, brought in in pieces from ….from somewhere else too

 

Caller: OK did you say just one craft or a number of craft

 

Bob: I saw a number of them OK

 

Caller: OK but didn't the other workers talk about it and… and say you know where it came from or was the thing towed in or whatever?

 

Bob:  I don't know there really wasn't that much conversation between everyone

 

Caller: Were you by yourself when you would investigate the craft

 

Bob: By my by myself as walking by myself there were security people around me….

 

 So, in 1989 Bob is specifically saying he did not know where the craft came from. The caller even specifically asks if OTHER WORKERS talked about it and he says no.

 

This appears to be in complete conflict with his 2026 statement that Barry told him the sports model was found in water. In 1989, after he was already done working at S-4, he had no idea where they had come from, at least from these statements in this 1989 interview.

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u/HeathJett — 16 days ago