u/Gouda_HS

Various questions about Necromancy, Animate Dead, and clones

Hey I am curious about some loops in my Hashaton list. The basis is judge-verified, but I'm thinking of alternate lines that become a bit murkier:

Core Loop - Judge verified (in order of resolution):

  1. Astral Dragon ETB, making 2 tokens
  2. Tokens become copy of Necromancy
  3. One brings back Astral dragon from graveyard, creating an Astral Dragon ETB, other brings back whatever (i.e. orcish bowmaster for infinite damage)
  4. Since the tokens are creatures, they cannot attatch to the creatures they reanimated, sending them as well as the two reanimated creatures (bowmaster and Astral) back to graveyard
  5. With the Astral ETB we created, the process repeats from step 1

Now I have some questions: Would this loop work with Animate Dead instead of Necromancy, and would this loop work if we brought back an ETB clone to copy astral dragon instead of reanimating Astral Dragon itself (i.e. phantasmal image, clever impersonator, phyrexian metamorph)?

Thanks in advance, and in case anyone is curious/wants clarification, this is the video I found confirming the Judge Ruling of the core loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic1bUFpGpTE

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u/Gouda_HS — 3 days ago

Hashaton, Scarab's Fist Questions

I'm looking at Hashaton as a deck to make but was curious about some rules interactions with his effect. Any help is greatly appreciated

First, would a clone entering via Hash's effect remain tapped after cloning? I know clones enter untapped regardless of the original permanent, but Hash's effect makes this a bit less clear?

Also how does the legend rule work with ETB's? I know the copy immediately dies but would its etb still go on the stack?

Lastly, how does graveyard hate work? If someone tries to exile my graveyard in response to Hashaton's effect, this wouldn't exile the creature I discarded for the Hashaton trigger right?

Thanks in advance!

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u/Gouda_HS — 6 days ago