u/Goremanghast

Hi Athletes,

I will try very hard to be brief but as I am neurodivergent I tend to ramble. I am at a plateau and need help from wiser minds in pushing to Sub-3 hour marathons. I know I am not doing the 70-110 miles a week other runners I know are sustaining and would love to get there but I think I have other challenges. I have the time for mileage but I don't know if I can manage the load.

Training History

I am a 55 year old male averaging 32 miles per week but I managed to hit 45 miles before the marathon. Highest mileage week ever was 49 miles (rebounding from a low mileage injury week). I've been running regularly (minus injury and illness) for almost 10 years after getting fat and unhealthy (BMI now near the top of healthy range). I have had more than my fair share of injuries.

For most of my time running I've just gone out and plodded at 9-10 minute miles and done some parkruns and races for "speed" but after a surprise improvement in Marathon time I decided to up my game. Knowing that attempts to follow Hanson/Pfitzinger/etc. in the past had got me injured and that I struggle to up my overall mileage and also struggle to run fast on my own I set up my target race in my Garmin and trained for Boston thinking that Sub-3 was realistic based on a 1:25 half marathon in 2025 and a 3:04:49 at Manchester. I used the daily suggested workouts with longer long runs, a couple of races and a few park runs substituted.

Due to a litany of illnesses and illnesses I lost a lot of fitness in January and February. So I arrived at Boston only having ran 3x20 miles (but 5 other >16 mile runs) all ran at 8-9:30 minute miles not wanting to embarrass myself after a few days at home following a skiing holiday. Garmin was predicting 3:17 and I had no idea of what I would get. I had ran two half marathons before Boston and they were slower than before my illness at 1:27 and 1:26 and my watch reported VO2 max was about 3 points lower than last year at 54. My actual result whilst no better than the previous year was better than I could have reasonably expected:

01/10/23 Loch Ness Marathon Marathon 03:19:53
15/04/24 Manchester Marathon Marathon 03:11:26
29/09/24 Loch Ness Marathon Marathon 03:10:58
27/04/25 Manchester Marathon Marathon 03:04:49
28/09/25 Loch Ness Marathon Marathon 03:06:15
20/04/26 Boston Marathon Marathon 03:04:56

Boston

I started well at Boston feeling I was taking it too easy but I couldn't sustain the pace and while my legs felt fine I was running on empty after Heartbreak Hill.

Boston Splits:

Mile Pace GAP Elev HR Cadence
1 6:49 /mi 6:56 /mi -98 ft 137 bpm 162 spm
2 6:41 /mi 6:48 /mi -67 ft 146 bpm 162 spm
3 6:50 /mi 6:57 /mi -67 ft 144 bpm 162 spm
4 6:41 /mi 6:54 /mi -98 ft 145 bpm 162 spm
5 7:03 /mi 6:39 /mi 50 ft 145 bpm 162 spm
6 6:44 /mi 6:38 /mi -20 ft 148 bpm 164 spm
7 6:43 /mi 6:38 /mi -16 ft 149 bpm 154 spm
8 6:55 /mi 6:43 /mi 6 ft 148 bpm 162 spm
9 7:05 /mi 6:55 /mi -9 ft 146 bpm 162 spm
10 7:14 /mi 7:04 /mi 10 ft 145 bpm 162 spm
11 6:57 /mi 6:37 /mi 41 ft 149 bpm 164 spm
12 7:05 /mi 7:03 /mi -43 ft 145 bpm 164 spm
13 7:05 /mi 6:53 /mi 9 ft 147 bpm 164 spm
14 6:53 /mi 6:45 /mi -24 ft 150 bpm 162 spm
15 7:09 /mi 6:55 /mi 19 ft 149 bpm 162 spm
16 6:54 /mi 7:03 /mi -105 ft 146 bpm 164 spm
17 7:12 /mi 6:50 /mi 66 ft 151 bpm 164 spm
18 7:05 /mi 6:48 /mi 26 ft 157 bpm 162 spm
19 6:57 /mi 6:57 /mi -30 ft 154 bpm 162 spm
20 7:19 /mi 7:05 /mi 19 ft 154 bpm 162 spm
21 7:46 /mi 7:13 /mi 98 ft 154 bpm 160 spm
22 6:51 /mi 6:57 /mi -93 ft 157 bpm 164 spm
23 6:57 /mi 6:53 /mi -32 ft 157 bpm 164 spm
24 6:58 /mi 6:54 /mi -49 ft 159 bpm 164 spm
25 7:08 /mi 7:12 /mi -45 ft 161 bpm 166 spm
26 7:13 /mi 7:06 /mi -10 ft 162 bpm 164 spm
0.41 6:40 /mi 6:09 /mi 24 ft 166 bpm 158 spm

Recent Races

These are the races that I have ran this year. I really messed up the 10K by picking up an injury but I hope I have learned to be a more conservative in my race scheduling.

08/03/26 Inverness Half Marathon Half Marathon 01:27:15
14/03/26 Cupar 5 Mile 5 Mile 00:31:46
22/03/26 Alloa Half Marathon Half Marathon 01:26:15
29/03/26 Tom Scott 10 Mile 10 Mile 01:05:38
20/04/26 Boston Marathon Marathon 03:04:56
26/4/26 Round the Houses 10K 00:40:01

Questions

I am running the Berlin Marathon in September and I really want to up my game and get that Sub-3 hour marathon. I have asked AI and it says that fuelling is my problem (5-6 regular gels during a marathon isn't enough for me it says) and it also suggests race pace runs. Garmin didn't ever suggest that I did proper race pace efforts it just gave me intervals on occasion. I feel the lack of tempo runs and perhaps long runs ending with some race pace are what I need. I would love to run more weekly mileage but I struggle to build mileage without injury.

What training will enable me to sustain my pace for longer?

Is it tempo runs or should I become injury adverse and stop the intervals and focus on building weekly mileage?

Do I need to take more gels? I have bought a selection of higher calorie gels to experiment in training. I intend to start fuelling my long runs.

Thank you lovely runners,

Goremanghast

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