u/GonnaChiefYourNan

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Who would you say does manga action better: Toriyama or Gege?

  • Please keep it civil. I'm asking because these 2 are genuinely the undisuputed goats of panelling and coreography imo and I want to see what people think. Not that I'm trying to slander one or the other by asking the question.

These 2 are 100% the best when it comes to action coreography imo though.

Dragon Ball

I'll give some info on Toriyama first since this is a JJK sub. Toriyama for part of the manga was putting in insane work for references. He allegedly spent a lot of time watching martial art films and it shows.

Slide 3 is a good example. Freeza goes for a jab(?) with Goku dodging, which also doubles as him winding up a hook. Freeza ducks, which he uses to try land an upwards kick. Goku jumps back and flies away to gain distance, Freeza keeps pressure up by using his eye beams.
It's insanely fluid and every action has an immediate follow up and sense of consequence too. And at the end of the Freeza fight you see blood roll down Goku's face as he looks conflicted and almost saddened, with it looking like a tear.

Jujutsu Kaisen.

In contrast Gege's panelling is a lot more complex, gritty and often messy. Slide 4 and 5 are good examples. Prior to this Yuji dodged piercing blood, and was going to throw a punch with Choso defending himself, with Yuji realising too late that 3 supernovas were behind him. Yuji stumbles forward as Choso keeps an arm ahead with some guard remaining as he crouches down, making a knife to stab Yuji's feet while he's close. Yuji pushes through the pain, going for a kick as he spins on his hands, pushing Choso's hand and head down as he jumps up. Using the momentum of the kick to boost himself above Choso who's still turned a bit and kicks him with the other foot.

And at the middle of the fight were they're in the toilets, Gege references The Raid, but with Yuji replacing the antagonist's position.

It's a lot more cramped if that's the right word. Far more likely to include reaction panels, certain details often get missed in many fights (especially Naoya vs Maki) and exchanges carry out longer and are more complex than Toriyama's. So it all really depends on which one you prefer.

u/GonnaChiefYourNan — 5 days ago

Just to make this clear.

Infintesimally close to zero doesn't mean he wastes 0.001% of the CE he puts in. Or he wastes 0.00000001%, or even 1x10^(-12) %.

It is effectively 0. Smaller than any number you can list. If you sit and list zero's all day long it would still be smaller than that. You can think of it as, 1/infinity. That's what it means to see CE on an atomic level.

Atomic simply means everything is as small and simple as it can get. You can't break things down anymore. On an atomic level things only operate in those individual units.

Even Sukuna who is described as "Godly" with CE manipulation by Kashimo (who is seething while he says that) still puts Gojo at an overall higher tier in terms of CE efficiency.

The only way Yuji can have better CE effiency is if he randomly created CE, not by naturally generating more as all living creatures do. No, he has to use 2 parts CE to do something and end the process with 3.

You can not manipulate CE on a level smaller than Gojo.

u/GonnaChiefYourNan — 7 days ago

Switch Meguna with Heian Sukuna if you want, they should have the same level of CE manipulation.

Note: Pure CE manipulation, no domains, rct skill, binding vow skill, etc.

You can use their "IQ" or "talent" to back your reasoning up, but it can't be the entire basis of your reasoning.

So something like just "Sukuna copies stuff very well" isn't enough.

All characters here have some insane talent. Gojo makes innovative stuff on the fly, Sukuna copies almost everything from a simple glance, Dabura awakened to a domain and high level RCT despite their complexity as soon as he learned of them, Yuji can sense a black flash far ahead of its usage + best soul stuff.

u/GonnaChiefYourNan — 12 days ago

I do not know any 2 people who have such a perfect pairing of abilities.

Resonance deals soul damage, high ap, but relies on a long range telegraphed attack, hitting nails. We see in Shibuya you don't need to actually need to use a strawdoll and an offering to hit your host. You can hit them directly. Something like an arm is already a fatal blow to most characters, using the target themselves as an offering would be op as hell.

There's also hairpin for surprise attacks at high ap.

Tool manipulation is held back by the tools you can get, along with the issue of a ranged ability that lacks high ap.

So while Tool Manipulation helps cover up the weakness of missing your attacks, allowing for attacks to change direction and land a resonance even after you miss.

Strawdoll means you've got as many tools as you desire with all of them having huge ap thanks to the nature of Strawdoll.

u/GonnaChiefYourNan — 14 days ago