u/GhostDog_1314

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Reform have gained a lot of seats, the most so far, but this table is what really matters. Who actually controls that council. These guys are sitting around jerking each other off over the number of seats gained, but they only have 4 councils, thats it. Labour, with half the seats, and all the losses incurred, still have over 3 times the amount of councils.

My point is, dont be disheartened. Reform are gaining, but it isnt enough. Having a bunch of councillors without having control of the council is virtually pointless. Next time these guys tell you theyre the majority, just point this out. Good luck with the control of not even double digits of councils.

I wanted to make this post to try to give hope to some people.

If youre lucky enough to make it through the elections today and not have reform infect your local area, congratulations. Just remember, we may have won this battle, but the war still rages on. We must remember not to get complacent and continue to put up the fight we have been.

If youre unlucky enough that reform now control your area, its not all bad news. First off, thats just democracy. Its part of the system we live with, and unlike reform we must respect it. That means we dont resort to violence, we dont hurt people and no cheating took place. We simply lost, and thats ok.

If you happen to be a part of reform that sees this message, you now have a chance to do something. You gained seats as MPs, and did nothing, you gained council control and did nothing, this is your last chance to do something with your power, because you certainly wont get 3 chances at running this country. Its time to own your party. Youve made promises, you stick to them. I dont wanna see "oh but labour". It doesnt fucking matter. If you cant do something due to the overall government, you shouldn't have made that promise. This is your last chance to show us all that we are wrong, that youre actually here to help people and this country. Go out there and make people's lives better. Oh, and try not to all resign within the month.

To anyone that is in a reform area that doesnt support reform, hold them to account for their actions. If they break promises, make it known. If they make your lives worse with greed or corruption, make it known. If enough people in your area see the negative impact first hand, their chances at the next general election crumble.

This is a bit of a request for information. Over the past few days I've had a bit more interaction with reformers than I normally would. Every instance has involved me being calm and collected and using factual data to make a point.

In response to what I've said, I've been extensively insulted, threatened, mocked, had them lie about reality, had them deny crimes are committed even when shown undeniable evidence, had them edit comments to say I've blocked them when I havent so they didn't have to answer my questions, run to subs im banned from despite claiming those subs are free speech, and just generally not received any valid argument points back. There's probably more but I lost track.

So this is a request, has anyone actually ever received valid and reasonable replies when debating with a reformer. Id normally ask for at least 3 examples but in this instance, I'll settle for one. Id like just one example where a reformer didn't resort to any of my points listed above

A bit of a meta post here, but I wanted to discuss this in light of the recent riots in Epsom, and talk about how the police handle information.

Since the Southport attack, the police have had a very difficult job when it comes to handling information regarding ongoing investigations. The information that is involved in police activity, as we have seen, has the potential to cause outrage, and it got me thinking, what can the police realistically do about this.

There are two options when it comes to these particular crimes.

The first, is to retain all information as long as possible. Anyone with a brain will know this is the best option, as releasing information that isnt 100% certain will only cause trouble. We've seen this before with the far right making assumptions and causing harm to others based on false information. The problem with this approach, is that by not releasing it, the right assume its asylum seekers that are to blame and go on the hunt starting riots and attacking others.

The other option, is to release all information as it is known. This poses a risk to the investigation and it may cause issues with the legal system later on. This is split into two sides. The first is the culprit fitting the far right agenda, in which case, as before, they go on the hunt starting riots and attacking others. The second is the culprit doesnt fit their agenda, at which point they either assume theyre being lied to and its all a cover up, or they just dont talk about it at all as its one of their own.

With that all being said, what can they actually do here. There is no course of action where the right dont form a mob and try to hurt others. Its also not even about the victims as they claim. I saw a video from the Epsom riot where theyre all chanting "starmers a wanker". What does he have to do with this? He has absolutely no involvement at all, yet still gets the blame.

I get a lot of people dont like starmer, and I sit on the side of thinking hes doing a good job, especially given the circumstances, but I do feel bad for him. Every single thing that goes wrong, the right blame him for it. It just shows this was never about victims and standing up for what's right, its about racism and overthrowing democracy.

Anyway, rant over, would love to know others thoughts on this.