u/Frosty-Revolution212

Deep Dive into Sony

Deep Dive into Sony

I’ve seen Sony gaining traction on a lot of subreddits the last few days after my last post and especially after the TSMC announcement. No Sony will not be the next SanDisk or Micron, they‘re not going to shoot up 500% in the next 2 years. Seeing it’s my largest position and conviction play with slightly over 10% of my portfolio, that would be great, but these assumptions are just unrealistic.

Firstly, I’m very positive on the Physical AI / Robotics side. I believe sensors will become the eyes and are therefore irreplaceable. With 53% market share and growing, with Logic supply secured due to their joint venture with TSMC, it’s very likely they will come out on top. Being the gold standard in cmos sensors and pioneering their new ai logic sensors, it’s hard to see a world where Sony will not dominate the sector in 3,4,5 and even 10 years time. Sony themselves has stated that their midterm outlook on the sensors business is very positive, expecting double digit revenue growth in automotive sensors as mass production scales for physical AI / ADAS and advanced robotics. Seeing that they are integrated in Boston dynamics robots like Atlas, Optimus by Tesla and in self driving cars, the future looks very bright. Becoming fab light and having TSMC supply logic is in my opinion a great way to make sure they can scale and keep taking more market share. Margins are also expected to grow, even in the next year as they expect a slight revenue drop due to headwinds in the smartphone market due to memory costs, which indicates to me that they have good pricing power (operating income is expected to grow 10+%). Considering their market share, the positive outlook of the sensor market and looking at multiples by competitors like Omnivision, I believe this segment should be worth 50$ billion alone, perhaps even closer to 70$ billion. Back in 2019, investors were already calling for a spinoff, with valuations estimated at around 35 billion

However, apart from the sensor business which makes up around 20% of profits, I believe a lot of their other segments are under appreciated due to the conglomerate discount.

Music: Sony‘s music division leads together with UMG globally. While trailing slightly behind in recorded music, Sony already holds the #1 spot in publishing, which will be solidified even more with their acquisition of Recognition music. By profit, Sony already leads compared to UMG. Overall I would put this segment alone at a valuation between 50-60$ billion.

Game & network: With Xbox having lost the console wars, Sony’s push to more digital sales with higher margin (on both PSN and PC), guidance of 3.8$ billion operating profit and an EV/EBIT multiple of around 13-15x I believe the PlayStation side of the business would also be priced at around 50-60$ billion alone

This means that these 3 segments alone are worth 150$-190$ billion.

Putting all these things together, I think Sony should be a 200$ billion company, potentially reaching 250-300$ by 2030 if they continue to execute and increase efficiency across all their segments. Not financial advice, just personal opinion

Link to full article by me :)

https://substack.com/@theasianon/note/p-197697140?r=8f51fm&utm\_source=notes-share-action&utm\_medium=web

u/Frosty-Revolution212 — 17 hours ago

My stock picks for the future

Sony ($SONY): The perception play for the physical AI era

Most investors are stuck on the brain of AI like Nvidia or LLMs, but I think Sony is the ultimate pick and shovel play for the next 5 to 10 years. We are hitting a hardware bottleneck for physical AI: if a robot or car is going to move in the real world, it needs eyes. Sony dominates over 50 percent of the image sensor market and is shifting from simple smartphone sensors to edge computing with on-chip AI logic.

New sensors like the IMX735 allow for instant processing at the source, which is mandatory for avoiding the latency of the cloud in robotics. Recent leaks show Tesla moving toward Sony for the AI5 suite, and Boston Dynamics is already a heavy user of their high-speed sensors.

The music and pictures divisions are massive cash cows that provide a floor while the semiconductor division scales into the trillion-dollar robotics market. Trading at a pe of 15, it is an undervalued play hiding in plain sight.

Siltronic ($WAF): The essential wafer turnaround

No matter who wins the chip wars, they all need wafers. Siltronic is the top-tier (and only) European provider and is currently a classic worst-behind-us turnaround story. While they are navigating some near-term sales dips, they are doubling down on 300mm wafer production at their Singapore site.

As the cycle turns and AI chips demand more specialized substrates, Siltronic is perfectly positioned to capture the expansion of the hardware layer.

Samsung SDI ($SSDIY): The data center and non-CATL power play

Samsung SDI is becoming the go-to premium battery alternative for Western manufacturers who want to avoid or diversify away from Chinese battery manufacturers. They are finalizing a deal worth up to 1 billion dollars with Amazon/AWS to provide battery backup units for data centers. These systems are critical for maintaining uptime during the massive power surges required by AI workloads. Beyond data centers, they have locked-in deals with carmakers such as Mercedes and Stellantis, and I believe they may benefit from the massive net income by the parent company, which may want to double down on their subsidiaries as to not put all their eggs in one basket incase memory does become somewhat cyclical again.

SAP & Secunet: The EU digital and security backbone

SAP is far from dead; it is the sovereign cloud play for Europe. With their new AI assistant Joule and the shift to S/4HANA, they have a massive recurring revenue moat that businesses cannot simply switch off.

Secunet is the cybersecurity partner of the German government. Their order intake just rose over 90 percent to 143 million euros, driven by defense, space, and European border control systems. It is a niche, high-barrier play that is essential for regional security.

ams OSRAM ($AMS): Optical data transfer and smart glasses

Overlooked and hated by analysts after many got caught blindsided in 2021 with the horrible merger, ams OSRAM is shifting toward digital photonics and has trimmed its business down to what works and actually makes money. They are exploring micro-emitter array-based optical interconnects for AI data centers to allow for massive, parallel data transfer with low power consumption. With their tech also being built into next-gen smart glasses, they are on a path to positive free cash flow next year.

WaterBridge Infrastructure: The Delaware Basin utility

This is a pure infrastructure play on the energy sector. For every barrel of oil produced in the Delaware Basin, you get 4 to 10 barrels of dirty produced water. WaterBridge handles over 2.5 million barrels of this water every day. Their moat is the physical pipe network—transporting water via pipe is significantly cheaper and more regulated than using trucks. They only take on projects with ultra-fast paybacks, creating a toll-road business model that is essential for the basin to function, especially with oil prices where the are, the Permian basin will continue to thrive.

Cryoport ($CYRX): The cold chain for CGT and IVF

Cryoport is considered the gold standard with their cryo systems and has an fda regulatory moat because their systems are built into the actual filings for cell and gene therapies (CGT). You cannot just swap out a logistics provider for a 500,000 dollar therapy without risking regulatory delays or even reapproval. They now support 766 clinical trials and 21 commercial therapies (over 70% market share!). By offloading their specialty courier to DHL, they have pivoted to a high-margin platform model. Furthermore, global fertility rates are trending down, making egg and embryo preservation through their Cryostork business a major, non-cyclical growth driver for the next decade. Like Osram, I believe they ran far too high in 2021, based on hype, too much liquidity. The business have both progressed, taking a tough pill to swallow, focused on the essentials and are now back on track where they should be. The potential is still there, and the numbers are coming in solid, but not many are paying attention

Some of my other strong bets, which pop up way too often though: Amazon / Microsoft / JD.com. I am also holding Centene and UNH from the previous panic but am not adding more at these levels. Other non core positions include constellation brands, UPS, target, General Mills, novo nordisk, Lyft, PayPal and universal music.

Disclaimer: Not financial advice.

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u/Frosty-Revolution212 — 7 days ago

Sony is the Micron/Samsung of the Physical AI Era (Change my mind)

Am I crazy to think Sony is the ultimate "pick and shovel" play for the next 5-10 years?
Everyone is obsessed with the "brain" of AI (Nvidia/LLMs), but we’re hitting a massive hardware bottleneck for Physical AI. If an AI is going to move, drive, or grab things in the real world, it needs "eyes." And right now, Sony basically owns the world’s vision.

  1. The Vision Bottleneck

Sony dominates ~50% of the global image sensor market. For years, this was "just" a smartphone story (Apple, etc.), but that’s changing. For humanoid robots and Level 4/5 autonomous driving to work, you can't just stream raw video to a server and wait for a response. The latency would kill you (literally).
Sony’s new IMX500/AITRIOS sensors have built-in AI logic for instant, on-device processing. They aren’t just capturing light; they’re processing metadata on the chip. This is the exact "edge computing" required for robots to become a reality.

  1. The Proof is in the Hardware

This isn't just "future" hype. Look at who is already at the table:

* Tesla: Recent firmware leaks suggest Tesla is swapping to Sony’s latest sensors (IMX00N) for the AI5 hardware suite.

* Boston Dynamics: The Atlas and Spot Cam 2 are heavily reliant on Sony’s high-speed, global-shutter tech.

* Hyundai/Boston Dynamics: Hyundai just announced plans to mass-produce 30,000 humanoid robots annually by 2028.

* Waymo: While others pivot to "vision-only," Waymo’s scaling fleet is packed with Sony’s high-dynamic-range (HDR) sensors.

  1. The "Boring" Safety Net

The best part? You’re not buying a pre-revenue startup. You’re buying a company where the Music and Pictures divisions are absolute cash cows.

* Music streaming royalties are steady and growing.

* The Pictures division is a content goldmine for the "streaming wars."

I don’t need these divisions to "moon." I just need them to provide a rock-solid floor while the Semiconductor (I&SS) division scales into the trillion-dollar robotics and ADAS markets.

The Analogy

Just like Micron and Samsung became the "must-owns" for the memory/chip boom, Sony is the must-own for the perception boom. Sooner or later the focus will be on physical AI and real world applications

You can’t have Physical AI without CMOS sensors, and you can’t have high-end CMOS without Sony.

Is there something I'm missing here? Or is Sony the most undervalued AI play hiding in plain sight?

TLDR: valuation at PE of 15 is reasonable, Gaming / IP / music etc are more steady cash cows and should continue to provide meaningful returns (albeit not expecting any massive or even moderate growth), but large potential in their sensory market which is closing in on 1/4 of total profit.

Disclaimer: Not financial advice. I just like the sensors. Also, I used AI to gather my thoughts into a structured text (better than what I would’ve written), since I’ve been keeping tabs on Sony for a while but held off (until last week), as I saw memory prices as a near term headwind. Looking to build up my position on any further price weakening.

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u/Frosty-Revolution212 — 9 days ago