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A common misconception is that Israel is an apartheid state, when that just isn’t the case, in fact I would argue it could be the other way round. If the goal of a ‘free Palestine’ is to establish an independent state, then the existence of borders, checkpoints, and security barriers should not be surprising. Every sovereign nation maintains controlled entry points, and Israel’s security measures, such as the separation barrier, are largely a response to past violence, including the Second Intifada.

Within Israel itself, Arab citizens who hold Israeli passports have legal rights, including voting and access to public institutions. They even have exemption from the Israeli military which puts them ahead in front of most people after High School. In contrast, Israeli Jews are generally prohibited from entering areas governed by the Palestine Liberation Organization. Additionally, access to dome of the rock is forbidden for Jews, and only accessible to Muslims, even though it is a very holy site for both religions. You could say THIS is apartheid actually

And if you are saying.. ‘but they don’t let Palestinians leave’ or they are ‘barricaded’ well they do first of all.. many people West Bank work and live their life in Israel every day, and as for Gaza, Israel quite literally left them an airport 20 years ago and then they elected a terrorist organisation as their government which means they closed their side of the border bc obviously it was a security concern. It was out of Egypts own will that they closed their side of the border too which barricaded Gaza. Israel has also participated in multiple negotiations and proposals aimed at establishing a Palestinian state, but the Arabs were the ones who said no. From what I understand they want the freedoms and perks of being Israeli Citizens but no Israel. Make it make sense.

I just don’t really understand where the apartheid is coming from, you are either an Israeli citizen or you ARENT therefore why would you be treated as one if you were to be let back in. It would be the same if a Chinese person came the checkpoint they would need to go through border checks because it’s not the same country.

I think the majority of people going out protesting have no idea how bad the footage from the October 7th massacre really was. I genuinely don’t understand how anyone could see what happened that day and still talk about supporting Hamas or calling it 'liberation.' In my opinion, anyone defending them is either completely ignoring reality or they simply haven’t seen the footage for themselves. What happened was not in any way 'resistance', it was terrorism in the most brutal form possible.

Israel needs to show the world exactly how evil the terrorists they are dealing with are, because too many people speak on this conflict without understanding what triggered this phase of it. Theres a lot of new movies and documentaries highlighting the Gaza side of the war (eg. voice of hind rajab which was nominated for an academy award) while the reality of October 7th is either downplayed or ignored entirely. If people actually saw the raw evidence, I think a lot of them would rethink the way they frame this situation

And honestly the defence has been light compared to what many other countries would do after an attack of THAT scale. Most nations would respond with overwhelming force if terrorists crossed their border, murdered civilians, kidnapped families, and celebrated it. Yet Israel is constantly judged by a different standard, which is also in my opinion, antisemitism, which is a discussion for another day..

I urge any Pro-Palestinians who have not watched an October 7th documentary or the available footage to do so first (NSFW, it is awful, so please be careful before searching). At least understand the horror that took place before making statements online. If there is ever going to be peace in the region, Hamas has to be eradicated, because no society can live next to a group committed to repeating atrocities like that again.