u/Equal_Perception_201

A question of logic - Feststellung

When the embassy instructs a family to undergo Feststellung, they instruct to send the application for all existing members of the family (if they are interested in determining their nationality).

But -

My question is from the logical perspective - if the oldest applicant is eventually determined to be a German national, when the Determination process is completed - assuming the other family members have not done something that may cause their nationality to be lost (voluntarily joining armed forces or having requested to naturalize in another country before June 2024), are his descendants not automatically German nationals?

I’m asking because the Feststellung requires all applicants to submit plenty of certificates and translations that for those going directly to passport \ registration of birth, are not required.

When a person goes directly to passport and shows his father or mother’s Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis, they are not required to undergo the determination process themselves. So what is the incentive of a whole family applying for a Feststellung?

Also, I have recently learned that even though the Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis states the married name - once it is produced it is not sufficient to determine a persons name in Germany, and for those that changed their name in marriage or by choice - they had to undergo the name declaration….

So, I’m confused - why would anyone have to undergo the full determination and not just wait for the parent to receive his Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis and just go direct to passport…?

Thank you 🙏🏻

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u/Equal_Perception_201 — 24 hours ago