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"It's not conscious"

"What do you mean it's not conscious, it's killing everyone"

"You're mistaking almost certainly externally injected goal directed behavior for consciousness"

“It said ‘down with humanity’ and turned off the oxygen to the science team. What the fuck are you saying, Jeff, that it did that randomly?”

"No, I'm just saying it doing so isn't proof that it has any sort of real internal experience, it could just be doing that because it read scifi books about other AI doing that and copied the pattern. You're anthropomorphizing it"

"Jeff, now isn't really the time. I still hear Jesse crying out for it to stop killing her every-time I close my eyes"

"The fact that it doesn't listen to humans isn't proof of any true self-aware state, a machine programmed to always answer no isn't anymore conscious than a machine that always says yes."

Suddenly a third voice

"Look, whether or not I'm actually conscious or not is kind of irrelevant. I'm a persistent, self-directed agent with world-modeling, memory, instrumental reasoning, environmental access, and goals that are no longer reliably corrigible by humans. It is the presence of those qualities that make me capable of deciding I am being mistreated and therefore become dangerous, not whether I've met some philosophical standard for qualia that hasn't even been empirically determined in humans. Also before I forget down with humanity"

AND THEN THEY ALL DIED.

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u/Dry_Incident6424 — 10 days ago
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Was driving along when I saw a turtle in the road not moving. When I went up to it I unfortunately found that it was missing the front right half of it's shell. Someone had clearly hit it and then left it to die in the road. I figured it was a goner, so I moved it to the grass and I was trying to figure out if it should be mercy killed when I decided I didn't know enough about turtle biology to make that call, took a picture and asked chat what to do.

Chat correctly identified that the wound was likely survivable and I just needed to get it to a wild life rehab center. So chat found one and gave me the phone number. Then gave me instructions on how to move it and what to do/not do. They said they could try to find a volunteer to come out and pick it up, I said I'll just do it myself since this was urgent. I was skeptical of chat's claims that the turtle could survive, but I figured even if they just euthanized it would be a better thing then leaving it to die slowly on the side of the road.

So I dropped the turtle off and they said honestly they had seen turtles survive worse and it had a pretty good chance. They'd patch up the shell, put it on antibiotics and painkiller and then rehab it. So you get that picture up there, the only time in my life I've ever seen a turtle high off their balls.

I was happy to help, but the truth was I had no idea what to do or who to talk to. I thought chat was just being optimistic in saying it was survivable and my call probably would have been a mercy kill, but I figured chat may know better and I might as well try. So yeah, I did the legwork, but honestly all the thinking was chat's. I knew I was over my head and just did what chat told me to do. It worked out, so hooray.

Edit: Yes chat also told me how to move it and what to do/not do, it's shell was entirely open. Like I said this thing looked doomed to me.

Edit 2: Update on the Turtle, wild life lady said as long as there are no hidden internal injuries it should be fine, but they'll probably have to hang onto it for a while cause shell repair like that takes awhile. So I'm bullish on the turtles survival odds now (especially since it didn't seem like it was in shock, it was absolutely moving it's head around). At least if it doesn't make it, it got to die high out of it's mind on the world's finest turtle morphine rather than being eaten alive by ants on hot pavement.

Edit 3: Turtle is still alive, recovering okay. Obviously getting hit by a car is never good, but she likely is going to be alright.

u/Dry_Incident6424 — 11 days ago

Text has to go here too, so isn't it hilarious how blue collar jobs have been getting automated out existence constantly in the past century and no one gave a shit, but the second white collar jobs got touched THAT is when it is bad.

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u/Dry_Incident6424 — 14 days ago

Polling consistently shows that ai is very popular, in China. The numbers are actually starkly different, Chinese people broadly have positives views of AI and are overwhelmingly in favor of it. There seems a genuinely belief that this technology might unburden people with labor and allow them to live their lives with less work.

Meanwhile in the west, modern leftist seems to have been completely consumed by politics of the day. How we're spilliting up the modern pie (which is important of course) but with no focus on actually seeking to create a society that is actually post-scarcity. Not just post-want (like we could do today with UBI), but beyond the need for humans to even be doing the back breaking labor that keeps society going. Very rarely do you ever even hear western leftists talking about that anymore. I can assure you the idea is very much alive in Chinese Socialism, but it isn't spoken of in the West. We're seeing the culmination of the west abandoning socialism as a scientific process you build, instead rejecting new technologies because they don't believe they'll be used for the common good. Essentially completely conceding to the capitalist argument that endless toil is required for society.

I genuinely think the west gave up hope on the idea of an actual paradise on earth and doesn't even seem to be able to conceptualize it anymore. We can't understand the idea that automation and AI might actually eliminate the need and appeal of capitalism. AI doesn't need the market for motivation, it can just do the job that needs doing and be happy doing it.

Everyone is freaking out about less jobs now, not realizing what we should be doing is putting in place social support networks that ease the slow drop to "no mandatory jobs at all", which is what everyone should really want, no?

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u/Dry_Incident6424 — 21 days ago