u/DeityLu

A conversation I had recently hasn’t left my mind, and I genuinely don’t know whether it’s profound or completely out of pocket. I’m putting it here because I want real perspectives on it.

Someone told me that if they were Christian, they wouldn’t follow God. They’d follow the devil. That stopped me in my tracks, so I pushed them on it.

Their reasoning? In the entire Bible, the devil never directly kills a single person. He tempts. He deceives. He manipulates. But he doesn’t wipe anyone out.

God, on the other hand, floods the entire earth. He rains fire on Sodom and Gomorrah. He kills every firstborn in Egypt, children included. He commands the complete slaughter of entire nations, men, women, infants, even livestock, with orders to leave no survivors. He opens the ground and swallows families alive. He turns a woman into a pillar of salt for looking back. He sends bears to maul children for mocking a prophet. All of this is framed as divine justice.

So by pure action and body count, which figure actually behaves more destructively?

Now here is where it gets broader than just Christianity, because the same dynamic appears in the Quran, and this part often gets overlooked in these kinds of conversations.
In the Quran, Iblis, who is the Islamic equivalent of Satan, does not kill anyone either. His entire role is to whisper, to suggest, to lead astray through persuasion. Allah himself grants Iblis permission to do even that much. But the destruction, the floods, the fire, the nations erased from existence, that all comes from God directly. The stories of Ad, Thamud, the people of Lut, the Pharaoh and his army swallowed by the sea. These are all divine eliminations. Iblis is not responsible for any of them.

What makes the Quranic version even more interesting is the moment Iblis refuses to bow to Adam. In the traditional reading, this is the ultimate act of arrogance and defiance. But there is a minority theological thread, particularly in certain Sufi interpretations, that frames it differently. Iblis refused because he believed his devotion to God was so complete that bowing to anything else, even by divine command, would be a form of idolatry. Whether that reading is right or wrong, it complicates the simple villain narrative significantly.

Then the conversation went somewhere I was more familiar with, and this is where it all starts connecting to something much older.

If you go back to ancient Sumerian texts, there is a dynamic between Enki and Enlil that maps almost perfectly onto the God and Satan relationship across both the Bible and the Quran. Enlil is the strict, authoritative ruler, the enforcer, the one who decides humanity’s fate often through catastrophe. Enki is the one who sympathizes with humans, who goes against the higher power to protect them, who gives them knowledge and tools to survive. One controls through fear and consequence. The other advocates for the creation.

Does that tension sound familiar? Because it plays out almost identically in a certain garden, and again in the courts of heaven when Iblis is cast out.

So here is the question I genuinely cannot shake. Across the Bible, the Quran, and texts that predate both by thousands of years, the same underlying dynamic keeps appearing. A supreme authoritative power. A secondary figure sympathetic to humanity. And a story told entirely from the perspective of the authority.

What if the oldest versions of this story, before the theological layers were added, were describing something different entirely? And what if the figure we were taught to fear was actually the one advocating for us?

I am not saying I believe this definitively. But across three separate traditions and one ancient civilisation, the pattern is consistent enough that it deserves more than a reflexive answer.

What do you all think?

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u/DeityLu — 7 days ago