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The Hidden Princes and Tyrion (SPOILERS MAIN)

I don't know if anyone has posted this before, but I found it really interesting anyway. The discussion between Tyrion and Jon in AGOT is very similar to the one Tyrion later has with Young Griff in ADWD. They seemed so similar to me that I'm doubting if it was even on purpose or just my hopium working at 100% capacity, but let's break it down point by point:

  1. The Destruction of Idealization Both Jon and Aegon start their journeys with a romantic and quite naive vision of their destinies, and Tyrion takes on the role of giving them the reality check that wakes them up: Jon Snow and Honor: Jon believes the Night's Watch is a noble and honorable brotherhood. Tyrion, with cold honesty, makes him see that it's nothing more than a penal colony full of criminals. Jon is deeply offended because the only place he thought a bastard like him could find honor is snatched away. Aegon and the Alliance: Aegon believes Daenerys will welcome him with open arms if he shows up begging to marry her. Tyrion, playing cyvasse, mocks the idea and tells him not to go to her as a beggar, provoking Griff's anger ("I am no beggar!"). In both cases, Tyrion uses the truth as a weapon that wounds the young men's pride (both being quite impulsive), forcing them to reevaluate their place in the world.
  2. Physical Domination and the Awakening of the Dragon The physical parallel between both scenes is perhaps the biggest direct evidence of this, and what motivated me to make this post: The Wolf and the Imp: In the first book, Ghost knocks Tyrion down. Jon, from a position of physical and moral power, refuses to help him up immediately and demands: "Ask me nicely." It's an act of domination driven by his wounded pride. The Dragon and the Imp: In the fifth book, Aegon, furious at Tyrion's mockery, knocks over the cyvasse pieces (which fall at Tyrion's feet) and sharply orders him to pick them up. "Perhaps the boy is a Targaryen after all," Tyrion thinks after Aegon's haughty reaction. If Tyrion had had that exact same thought in the North upon seeing Jon Snow demand respect with the same haughtiness, the hint about his lineage would have been even more uncomfortably obvious than it already is in the first book. Both of them, upon being humiliated by Tyrion's rhetoric, respond with authority and fierce pride.
  3. The Gift for Pissing Off Princes Tyrion reflects in A Dance with Dragons that he has a natural talent for pissing off princes, recalling Joffrey and later Aegon. But what Tyrion doesn't know is that his list of offended princes might include one more. If we look at this retrospectively, Jon's reaction on the Kingsroad isn't just the tantrum of a resentful bastard, but the wounded pride of the "Prince That Was Promised" (or at least, of a legitimate Targaryen prince). Tyrion provoked both of Rhaegar's "sons." PS: If you don't believe in R+L=J in BIG 2026, you should probably get that checked out.
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