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Disclosure of an extraterrestrial presence might just end the career of many politicians. J. Burkes MD 2021, updated 2025 Serious

I believe that acknowledging what appears to be an “ET” presence just might inspire us to make better political choices. If the alleged ET civilizations can travel across vast distances of space, or move through other dimensions to get here, then a great deal of energy would probably be required for these remarkable feats. Such enormous power if used for war would likely destroy any ET/interdimensional civilization long before they could get very far from their home, thus logically precluding them from reaching Earth. So, the fact that flying saucers are here and have been so probably for millennia, suggests to me that they have achieved cultural and ethical advances eliminating both war and the constant preparation for war that are major terrestrial activities. 

If an advanced non-human civilization can live in peace and arrive here, maybe we can learn to eliminate war as well. This is a hopeful message that will likely resonate powerfully with the Earth’s people yearning for peace and security. 

It seems likely that if the masses of people on our planet were aware of a non-human presence popularly thought of as “ET”, then the apparent differences between humanity and these “Others” would be immediately apparent. After all, humanity would not share a common history, culture, language, the same level of psychic abilities and materialistic technology. What we would share with them however is that the “Others” and humanity are conscious intelligent beings. Both are awake and aware of that wakefulness. This is called Consciousness. Thus, Consciousness has been called the “golden thread” that links all conscious and intelligent beings in the universe.  

As ufologist Stanton Friedman pointed out in the past, here on Earth right now, “nationalism is the name of the game.”  If, however, the masses of our planet realized that we are not alone in the universe and that the flying saucer phenomena represented the presence of advanced non-human cultures, then the oneness of humanity could be realized in contrast to our differences with the “Others.” Such an awareness might promote planetary unity, and our planet’s people would more readily embrace the ideal that we are truly one people on one homeland. The ideology of extreme nationalism could hopefully be forever cast aside. The common folk of every nation could no longer be misled by their leaders to fight wars against one another. 

Creating social justice through peaceful reform in my opinion will have to be part of the process. But if all this transpires, what will happen to the current corrupt leaders whose grip on power depends on having us constantly fighting among ourselves? Perhaps this prospect is one more reason why terrestrial elites have denied the reality of the flying saucer phenomenon and the ET/interdimensional hypotheses as its possible explanations. 

Disclosure of an ET presence just might end the career of many professional politicians.

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u/Contactunderground — 13 hours ago
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Fox TV’s July 1994 “Encounters” Report on the CE-5 Initiative: UFO Intelligence Didn’t Follow the Script: After filming a conclusion stating that no UFOs were seen, three appeared over a distant ridgeline. Joseph Burkes MD Serious

This Fox Network documentary linked below showcased our Los Angeles CE-5 contact team. It was filmed in Topanga Canyon State Park in July of 1994 with an elaborate production. This included a 40-foot-high elevated camera to give an “ET” perspective from overhead. In the video report, we can see some of the talented team members that facilitated Human Initiated Contact Events (HICE) thirty-two years ago. They included PhD clinical psychologist Dr. Dixie Sullivan, 747 Captain Joe Vallejo and the prominent writer Preston Dennett. 

The Fox script writers assumed that there would be no sightings. Therefore, as the sun went down reporter Sandra Gin recorded a statement stating that although there was no sighting, it was still exciting to be under the stars hoping for contact. UAP associated intelligences apparently had not read the script because they did show up! An anomalous nocturnal light rose three times above the canyon’s ridge-line. These silent lights flashed  signals at us that were of the same color as the Fox rented laser lights shown in the video. Sandra Gin had to ad lib a different conclusion to her report. 

 This July 1994 HICE involved what the CSETI Director labelled a “telepathic over-ride.” On two occasions during field-investigations, I received information at “the level of knowledge” as to when, where in the sky and the number of craft that would be seen during our sky-watch activities.  The first time was in Joshua Tree in October of 1993. I was informed prior to midnight that our sighting would take place at 2AM, one craft appearing in the northwest. Our sighting that night corresponded to this “heads-up” message that I had received telepathically. 

Nine months later in Topanga Canyon, something similar occurred. While I was in the parking lot eating the catered vegetarian pizza that the Fox producers had brought for us, I saw in my mind’s eye three small white saucers in a line over the northwestern rim of Topanga Canyon. I was “informed” that the time of the Human Initiated Contact Event would be  9PM.  The first of three sightings started a few minutes before nine, then the second one at 9PM and finally a few minutes after nine. All three anomalous lights slowly rose over the northwestern rim of the canyon that I had visualized  in my mind’s eye earlier that night. 

I was to continue my contact work under the CE-5 banner for several more years. In 1998 for personal and political reasons, I resigned from the CSETI leadership and have not spoken to Dr. Steven Greer since. Nevertheless, I view his contributions during the years we worked together as well as the 2001 Disclosure Project news conference to be positive. I honor the work that I did with my contact team three decades ago during the early years of the CE-5 Initiative. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI4tc-OybgU

 

u/Contactunderground — 22 hours ago
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The weight of Disclosure is on the shoulders of Experiencers.

What I'm about to talk about is often something that is unconsciously understood but rarely laid out and defined openly even within experiencer circles. I find it can often be the case in big voice conversations on this stuff that we'll touch on these points and other major points related to this topic but when it comes to actually making a statement on it, post or thread we freeze because its hard to put into words sometimes when outside of that flow state of synchronistic fast paced verbal conversations we often find ourselves in within experiencer spaces. Or in our own internal monologues.

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So I'm going to take a swing at it as best I can because I'm not really seeing people bluntly laying it out, but often talking around it. Obviously this is my own opinion and theory on things but I am very confident in it and I don't think I'm alone in seeing this.

Lets see if I can pull this off...

About a year ago when talking to a skeptic friend of mine about my work with experiencers and about my own contact experiences, about the significance of this topic and yet how experiencers may perhaps be the single most persecuted people on the planet. I was monologuing about how NHI exist and that experiencers represent a paradigm shift in human understanding about who we are and what reality is etc my friend interrupted me and of course being a skeptic he could not exit the loop of :

"But if all of this contact was happening , why is there no evidence of it, why is there no saucers on the white house lawn. Why are all these people not capturing evidence of these beings interacting with them."

I have been having these conversations with him for years and had already explained this over and over. But again I went into how we are in a process of psychological preparation for disclosure. That if it happened too suddenly or too shockingly it would potentially be psychologically devastating for the global consciousness and thus the smoking gun evidence is being withheld till the last moment and up until that point, we are in a process of experiencers getting contact and sharing what contact is like, and human power structures sharing about the topic more and more seriously over decades. All of which is accelerating in the 2020's. All as psychological preparation.

Again he bluntly asked me:

"But if all these millions of people around the world are in contact, seeing beings craft orbs and so forth, why are they not filming it and proving it to the world, then we'd stop calling them crazy."

"I just explained that" I said. He seemed confused. I then explain how in my own contact and with many of the folks I work with, these beings will enter peoples lives and give that person sometimes extremely blunt proof that the beings are real but will otherwise avoid allowing that person to prove it to others, personal proof is given, sometimes if the experiencer is lucky, the beings will allow them to prove they are real to friends and loved ones. But a smoking gun is avoided at all costs. The experiencer is totally blocked from getting any single piece of evidence that will prove to the world , without a doubt, that these beings are 100% real. There always has to be a get out of jail free card with this for someone who wants to pull the ejector seat and decide none of this is real. There is years of preparation still before that smoking gun.

My friend stops me then and says :

"Wait.. so these beings are contacting a subsection of humanity , giving them experiences, but leaving them with no proof, so that when they go to talk about it , people will call them crazy due to them having no proof? They just are left to talk about it and share with zero evidence to back up their story?"

And I reply to him "YES... This is what I've been trying to explain to you for years!"

"That's a raw deal man".

"Yes... yes it is.... "

But it clicked with me then that this is an aspect of this that is just not understood enough on the wider field and not hammered down. I see it all the time, people talking about people who witnessed UFO's and so on - they are not getting it, its not the case that humans are just having random sightings of UFOs, or random encounters with non human beings. And that's what makes up the whole experiencer phenomenon. They are missing the wider picture. Something I learned from my own childhood communications and what I've been dealing with for the past 5 years in my work. Something I feel somewhat burdened with communicating better more publicly but I often struggle and shy away from doing often.

Contact is often, not random. A huge amount of contact is highly orchestrated and designed to wake specific people up to this reality but then inspire them and sometimes even directly guide them, to get involved in the topic in some way, talk and share or more and thus prepare humanity for this reality, for many many years, before there is any smoking gun evidence. There is delicate timeline management going on with this. On an individual scale and on a collective scale.

Because humanity seemingly needs a fair chunk of psychological preparation for this. Almost all the big names on the field who've been arguing the case for this topic being real, look at them closely. Almost all of them are experiencers. Sometimes even a childhood sighting of a saucer was what was needed to put them on a timeline where they'd argue the case for this stuff to humanity decades later.

But then we have the everyday experiencers - where just simply talking and sharing is part of the process. If it was not for people sharing their experiences, at great cost, we'd not be where we are today. Experiencers are the people at the tipping point of a paradigm shift for our species. They go through extraordinary events that illustrate to them that our species current model of reality is wrong and needs to be updated. They are left without direct evidence of this and have to argue the case for this with just their contact experiences to go by. Which leads to much persecution and difficulty for their lives. It is a huge burden and sacrifice. Experiencers are also not given 'all the answers". But it is the consistent mechanics of the contact itself across the field that is important.

These NHI who want humanity to grow and learn want humanity to do so themselves as much as possible and not completely take away humanities self esteem. They help in a round about way. From the ground up. They won't do ALL the work for us, yet at the same time there is a mass intervention going on, but its done 'though' humanity , utilizing experiencers as part of this process.

And so we're not given all the answers. Not in one go, we're given clues so we can figure things out for ourselves at a pace that won't destroy us.

Experiencers are left to talk and share and be persecuted and ridiculed for it with a huge amount of suffering. But over a long process of many years the human collective consciousness becomes more and more prepared for the idea that we are not alone, there is an ecosystem of NHI here engaging with us and its really weird how they can do so. Often reality bending. Humanity has been describing these beings via religious language, folklore and so on all this time and certain humans have enhanced abilities to engage with these beings and engage with the wider system. Ultimately this is about human potential and the reality we are in, humanity not being alone is only part of this. Its also about having ALL of our species come to terms with this and gain knowledge about this and no longer just a select few.

It would seem it is existentially important for our species to learn these things. As our future is at stake. But its also seemingly existentially important we learn it in as delicate a way as possible.

Many of the experiencers I've worked with, including myself, are guided this way - where we are guided to learn and consume information about the nature of reality. Consuming everything from quantum mechanics, consciousness studies, panpsychism and idealism, the holographic universe, occult and esoteric , theological studies and NHI encounters in abductions, NDE's , OBE's and astral experiences. Months, years if not decades of processing and preparation on these things before BOOM a contact experience happens that suddenly proves all this is real and all doubt is removed. Sometimes there is a few gentle experiences given first, all with the get out of jail free card dynamics at play before all doubt is removed.

This is what happened to me. This is what I see all the time in my work with experiencers. I extrapolate this behaver and engagement model to the wider humanity as a whole and I can see what is going on here.

But even with all that preparation, when all doubt is removed it is destructive for us at first then... transformative. It is traumatizing to find out the world was a lie. Though wonderful to find out the truth as well. The ontological shock and awe is real and it requires recovery time. But also preparation. Without that preparation it can be really hard for folks to deal with this revelation.

So this is what is happening with experiencers. We are given these experiences and many of us find ourselves compelled to try and share what we have learned as a result to the wider species at great cost. Yet with no ability to prove it. Yet.

But this allows the rest of humanity to catch up and learn about this and prepare for this over time. I've said this a thousands times on before :

Some everyday skeptic person with no ability to process or handle this topic is hearing about UFOS and NHI on cringy tv programs for decades, then on page 8 of the news and laughs at it and still thinks its a joke. Then years later, page 7. Then page 6 - getting more and more serious with US gov officials talking about it and news segments no longer laughing and using x-files music when talking about it - still the person laughs at it, thinks its a joke, dismisses it thinking if it was real there would be smoking gun evidence and it'd be page 1.

Years go by, more serious people talk about it, its page 3 - page 2. Whistleblowers everywhere. Regular congressional hearings. Constant TV shows about experiencer stories and narratives being shared with a more serious tone. Even though it was the same stuff shared years ago with a cringy reality TV tone. He ignores it, he laughs he says its all BS because its not on page 1.

By the time it hits page 1 and becomes world wide news and totally breaks this persons reality, he is still more psychologically prepared for it, hearing about it and laughing at it for decades versus how broken this persons mind would be if he never ever heard anything about this topic at all and boom it was on page 1. 24/7 world news coverage. Smoking gun evidence.

This is what is going on people and its experiencers often tasked with being the ones pushing the ball forward by utterly humiliating ourselves and sometimes destroying our lives talking about this stuff publicly for the benefit of the rest of our species. And its hard. Really hard.

There is this idea that experiencers are attention seeking and or get some positive benefit from talking publicly about our contact experiences. This is so not the case. Many feel compelled to share because its hard seeing how wrong everything is, but otherwise there is much humiliation and suffering that comes with this. Never mind the active persecution and dehumanization that comes with it too.

It is not an easy burden to carry on our shoulders at all. But its part of a bigger process for our entire species experiencers are on the right side of history for this. One day a future humanity that has survived and grown from the collective ontological shock and awe that the disclosure process will bring will look back on the decades of experiencers suffering greatly to drag along the rest of our species through this process and understand them to be the heroes they are.

But for now yes, it certainly feels like a raw deal. But hopefully it is worth it and the humanity we will grow into being hundreds of years post disclosure will represent our true quality as a species to all these other intelligences out there. I believe we will, even though it appears we have to go through great suffering to get there. There is hope and a bright future for humanity. And I'm proud to be a part of the process that helps us get there one day and proud to work with others who are too.

The weight of Disclosure is largely on the shoulders of Experiencers. A deeply persecuted people who are on the cutting edge of a paradigm shift for our entire species. It is through our suffering that humanity can be holistically prepared for the knowledge of the wider reality we are all a part of and the potential humanity truly has. How one day we could be a significant and positive a player on the multidimensional stage. it is my view that there are beings out there who see this in us. Let us hope we can prove them right. Having worked with experiencers over the past 5 years and meeting 100's and 100's of these people I have a lot of hope that we can.

Some past posts and comments of mine that touch on this stuff :

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u/Oak_Draiocht — 5 days ago

MECHANISMS OF CONTACT, “PRIME CONTACTEES”: A SPECIAL KIND OF CONTACT EXPERIENCER & WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT. J. Burkes MD, edited 2020, 2026

MECHANISMS OF CONTACT, “PRIME CONTACTEES”: A SPECIAL KIND OF CONTACT EXPERIENCER & WHY THEY ARE IMPORTANT.

J. Burkes MD, edited 2020, 2026

2026 INTRODUCTION: Before “Psionic Assets” I worked with “Prime Contactees.” 

Over 20 years ago I coined the term “Prime Contactee” after volunteering for contact work in two networks facilitating what I call “Human Initiated Contact Events (HICE) aka CE5. Those networks were the Center for the Study of ET Intelligence (CSETI) and the Peruvian contact group called “Mission Rama.” Prime Contactees are individuals that function like human UFO magnets. They have frequent UFO sightings with others present who can verify the Primes’ special relationship with UFO intelligences. From 1992 till 1998 I was associated with the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind Initiative and coordinated a contact team in Southern California. In that capacity I repeatedly observed how CSETI Director Dr. Steven Greer was able to attract UFO phenomena under fieldwork conditions. 

In 1993 a young Russian immigrant working as an EKG technician “surfaced” in Kaiser Panorama City Hospital where I was employed. He claimed to have had numerous UFO sightings since being a teenager. He reportedly had a precognitive dream before coming to America. In that dream he allegedly found himself working in a US health care setting with a tall American physician of Russian Jewish descent. Furthermore, this individual that I shall call “Misha” stated that in his dream he would do contact work with the doctor.  

In 1992 after being hired at our hospital, he supposedly recognized me as the man in his dream but didn’t introduce himself for many months because “I wasn’t ready yet.” Although I have doubted the veracity of many of his claims, once “Misha” joined our CE5 team operating in the high desert, our level of contact went way up. With the young Russian immigrant in our group, we had more frequent sightings.  I even experienced a sorely needed boost in my psi ability that may or may not have had relationship to Prime Contactee Misha.

Now in 2026 the UFO contact scene has progressed. The revelations of Jake Barber and Chris Bledsoe have revealed a pattern of US Executive Branch intelligence services’ involvement with high level UFO contactees some of whom are called “psionic assets.” Like my term “Prime Contactees”, Mister Bledsoe and government contactors’ psi “assets” function as human UFO magnets.

When I first described this type of UFO experiencer on social media in May of 2014, I was surprised to see a controversy result. My description of so-called “Prime Contactees” was labeled by some as being “elitist.” I was accused of trying to create a popularity contest in which ordinary contactees’ roles would be seen as insignificant next to the “high-status” of the so-called Primes. Fellow senior contact activists angrily informed me that I was being “divisive.”

Well, I certainly didn’t intend to trigger such a controversy. Responding to those offended, I wrote a second article with the title “Prime Contactees Are Just the Tip of the Iceberg.” The original controversial blog was edited in 2020 and is linked below: 

https://contactunderground.org/2026/04/06/mechanisms-of-contact-prime-contactees-a-special-kind-of-contact-experiencer-why-they-are-important/

u/Contactunderground — 5 days ago