u/ComputerLoveKraftWrk

▲ 7 r/Fire

Largest Expense after Housing - Cars

TL;DR - The personal finance guys were right - keep cars longer and/or drive used.

Gather ‘round! Grandpa is telling stories!

Circumstance sort of murdered my pride around cars before it had a chance to form - and that made all the difference. More than anything (except maxing my retirement savings at the start of my career) this is what got me to FI/RE.

I’m a middle kid among three boys and we are all close in age. When my older brother started driving in 1993, my dad found an 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix for $2,000 which became the kid car. It ended-up getting taken out by a red light runner around 6 months before I would have started driving. The new kid car that we had to share would become my mom’s 1988 Oldsmobile station wagon - you know, with that fake wood sticker on the lower half of the sides. Yeah. That one.

I would eventually take over the station wagon as my older brother bought himself a new Ford Ranger with a loan from my grandfather and my younger brother bought his own 1984 Grand Prix. The ”shaggin’ wagon” was oddly appealing in that I could absolutely load it up with people and it made moving to and from college an easy trip for me. But it wasn’t even is the same zip code as cool.

What it started though was a lifetime (half of one anyway) of buying used cars from family and friends, taking care of them, and then selling them when they are worn out. Like 200,000 miles worn out.

I sat down and collected some numbers on this approach. The average age of my cars when I acquired them was 5.5 years. I would only consider this because I knew who was selling them, how they drove, and how they were maintained. The average age when I got rid of them stands at 11 years.

When I look at what I paid for the vehicles and what I got when I sold them, my total outlay for purchases was around $30,000.

$30,000 for 30 years of driving. No, that isn’t including maintenance or insurance. This is just money spent to acquire and then money returned when sold. I am assuming there is around $9,000 of value left in my current vehicle to arrive at this value.

This was not out of necessity. It was straight-up frugality. I did spend a considerable amount on motorcycles over the years, but while my coworkers were dropping bank on luxury vehicles I was driving older, undesirable cars. I had coworkers fresh out of school driving Audi TTs and Corvettes. One guy financed a new Chevy Trailblazer and a couple of snow mobiles. He got laid-off in less than a year and had to move back in with his parents. That’s probably the most dire example of what not to do.

But that’s what they did and that truly is what is “normal” in our culture. Are they “retiring” at 47? I doubt it, unless they had an equity blessing from a hot start-up or some parental cash delivery (Honestly, I think parents or family are where the Corvette and the TT came from - we did not get paid enough out of school to get those kind of cars).

All this to say: Go cheap on the cars. It makes the path to FI/RE so much more achievable. Buy a good one, pay unless you can finance it for less than 3%, take care of it, and keep it a long time. My current vehicle Is 14 years old. I’ll drive it until my nephew is old enough to drive in 2030 and give it to him. Then I’ll get something in the “look I me, I’ve made it” category - like a low mileage 2025 Toyota Camry.

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u/ComputerLoveKraftWrk — 6 hours ago
▲ 248 r/Fire

Throw away account.

TL;DR: Been flirting with my number for a year. Finally gave notice today. It is either now or “one more year”.

I pulled the trigger today and resigned. I started on this journey in 2018. If I’m being honest, I started on this journey in 1993 when I rode a bicycle to the bank and bought a 10 month CD at 5.25% with money I earned from mowing lawns. It was my first investment.

I had a good career in tech, but was never really happy in front of a screen and with my work. Sometimes, I was working with really great people and had a lot of fun. Since 2017, I’ve been working what is basically a remote job. I had permission to work from home as our local office did not have any people present who I’d need to interact with, so I worked from home and basically suffered the mental decline that some people suffer when they are cooped-up too long alone. I’m prone to distraction and depression. I realized I could either keep grinding and just take handfuls of Lexapro and Adderall, but that isn’t the life I wanted.

I met with a finance guy in 2018 and asked if I could throw in the towel at 45. We looked at my numbers and he basically arrived at what I learned was called baristaFIRE. I put my savings plan in place and was soon saving around $120,000 per year. My annual expenses were between $45,000 and $60,000. I’ve always worked tech and always was in fear of a layoff. It was not the go-go start-up tech that makes someone reach. Think more midwestern and more old line technology and engineering companies. The constant fear of layoffs drove me to be frugal. Old cars. Housing in shitty suburbs or shitty neighborhoods in the city. Vacations that were both insane and cheap. Lots of camping off of motorcycle for fun.

In 2020 during COVID, I sold my house and got into a roommate situation which cut my monthly costs (this is how I was banking $120,000 per year). I kept saving. I bought as much company stock as I could. It went up. It then went down. I bought some gold. I bought a load of Vanguard ETFs. I kept saving and grinding knowing I was trading my youth and happiness for freedom in the future.

I have 9 years in with my current company. I was waiting for layoffs. All of tech is laying off right now. First quarter was good, so no layoffs for the rest of the year. So I resigned. I have around $3.1 million and can fit my life inside of a $90k budget right now. No kids. No one else to take care of. My buffer (money market) is 3 years. The rest I’ll keep invested aggressively, only selling ETFs during up months and years to replenish the buffer.

Where things are not great is that the dreams I had in my early 40s seems a little more challenging. I don’t feel like I have the ability to be as footloose and fancy free as I once thought. I am not the type to enjoy a place like SE Asian. A bald 47 year old white guy doing that is a cliche anyway. Domestically, I’d like to keep my “tax free state” status and I think I can pull it off. I’m a sailor, but I also know that living on a sailboat is another cliche I may just know too much about to even attempt.

I guess all this is to say, I’m happy to not have to feel the Sunday Scaries again (well, two more Sundays) but it doesn’t feel like the party I’d think it would be. I’m trying to plan my summer and it looks like I’ll be able to “vacation” in the Arctic and Europe for a bit before having to think about what’s next. It might be more school, but I’ll be damned if I ever open PowerPoint again. Done with that part and my life and that feels pretty good.

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u/ComputerLoveKraftWrk — 15 days ago