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61 YR old Man Cream TRT Treatment 13 weeks labs, how to dial in

As the title says a 61-year-old man started TRT 13 weeks ago, and attached are my before and after labs. I was clearly dehydrated when I took my second labs. I got on TRT to really try and improve my mood and Energy, along with an overall I don't want to get really old like this mindset of conditioning and health. Also on Wegovy (yeah, I know, should have done Tirz, or Reta). Starting conditions were 267 lbs 6'4, target weight was 230, but still working on figuring out the endpoint. May end up being 220. I am a very wide frame. I have been a casual gym guy for the last 20 or so years. Now I am kicking it up a bit as part of the get-in-shape program and using kettlebells daily. Along with the TRT, I also added Boron and increased Creatine to 5 and now 10 grams a day. I take protein twice a day.

I am working with Defy on the cream, and I went with cream because it was a way to ""ease"" into it, and I am doing one click morning one click evening scrotal application. The other benefit of this ""microdosing is that I wouldn't have peaks and valleys.

What have I seen as a result? Definitely improved mood and energy, was hoping for more, but it's a lot better than it was. My oily skin is back with a vengeance, and facial hair growth has increased in speed. Gym results are much improved, drive is very slightly improved, and function is about the same, unfortunately. Mood was the biggest surprise; it has definitely mellowed me out. Can this be attributed to the high estadiol?

Concerns with my labs, Hemocrit is higher than I would like, even considering dehydration. and my estradiol is high. Defy gave me pills for it, but frankly, what I can find in research is my numbers aren't bad enough to chase it with meds

The compounded cream I am on is 200mg/ml; here is the surprise to me at least. I am taking half the dose they recommended; they had recommended 2 clicks twice a day, I am doing one twice a day. So that's 2 x 25mg of Test a day 50 mg total 350 a week. However, with creams I have read that the absorption is no more than a third of the dose so this is about 120mg/week injection equivalent.

How do I dial this in? My plan is to continue to drop weight that should help with reducing T conversion, along with changing application to one scrotal and one shoulder or groin application. I am also wondering about dropping the boron, but to me it seems illogical to cut natural production, and rather I should keep that high and trim supplementation. Another strategy would be to skip every other night's application.

I am absolutely following up with the clinician at Defy, however, if I had started with their starting dose, I would have grossly overshot. But thought I would share my results, as there are some really sharp people here in the forum. As a question, let's say I was able to keep my T and free T the same but drop Estradiol 30 percent, what, if any, changes would I see?

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u/Chemical-Tell4735 — 4 days ago
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Wanted to solicit comment on the list below. My goal isn't to get big but to be very toned. 6'4 245lbs goal weight 230. Have been a casual lifter last 20 years. I take creatine and protein. I have used bell's on and off all my life but now feel they align with where I want to go better than tradiitnal weights so a renewed emphasis on them

I do 100 reps of each every other day with cardio on between days

  1. kettle bell swings

  2. head halos.

  3. grave diggers

4). Side lifts (bell in one hand bend to the side and return)

5). Low halos(passimg a bell around the body)

6). Football pass (don't know the name a throwing motion one handed in an orbital mition

  1. infinite uppercuts

  2. wrist twists

  3. single arm gorilla row

Any suggestions for key adds or changes?

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u/Chemical-Tell4735 — 15 days ago