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1919 resurfaces in the Treasures part of this week's midweek meeting. TBH The previous 1919 doctrine was pure nonsense but the current one is even dumber and completely indefensible!
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1919 resurfaces in the Treasures part of this week's midweek meeting. TBH The previous 1919 doctrine was pure nonsense but the current one is even dumber and completely indefensible!

One of the most important teachings of the Watchtower organization is also potentially the most indefensible of all their teachings. It is the idea that they as true Christians went into spiritual captivity in the 2nd century CE and were freed from captivity to Babylon the Great in 1919 and that their leaders were appointed as God's only channel of communication for all mankind!

I honestly think the current explanation of the 1919 doctrine is one of the hardest teachings to defend.

At least the previous understanding until 2016, while arbitrary, tried to connect the teaching to actual events in that year:

  • Rutherford and others being imprisoned = “spiritual captivity”
  • Their release in 1919 = release from captivity

You could at least follow the logic, even if you disagreed with it.

But the newer explanation says the captivity actually began with the great apostasy in the 2nd century. If that’s the case, then the release from captivity can no longer reasonably be tied to Rutherford being released from prison in 1919.

That creates a big broblem:

In what meaningful sense were the Bible Students still “in captivity to Babylon the Great” in 1913 (in Russell's era), but somehow no longer in captivity by 1920 (in Rutherford's era)?

They attempt to link it to the impetus given the preaching work in 1919, but as attested to in their own publications, the Bible students were actively preaching during the Russell era.

Rutherford actually slowed down for a while after Russell died, then ramped up in 1919 with the big "Millions Now Living Will Never Die" campaign and the prediction that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful men of old would return in 1925.

Both groups used the cross, celebrated Christmas, observed birthdays, pyramidology etc. until the late 20s and even early 30s. So what exactly changed in 1919 that suddenly marked a divine "freeing" from captivity?

This is what happens when an organization is more interested in protecting a timeline than teaching truth. Change my mind. I’m genuinely curious who can defend this mess with a straight face.

PREVIOUS TEACHING:

Previous understanding: Rutherford and Co inprisoned = spiritual captivity to Babylon; Released from prison = Freed from spiritual captivity.

CURRENT TEACHING:

https://preview.redd.it/68an10dacz0h1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=f6e8c08d4944eab1ab19fed636f1c499832defed

ATTEMPTS AT DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE: https://wol.jw.borg/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102017933 (Remove b from borg)

\"Clearly\" indeed!

If Rutherford's impetus to the preaching work is the proof then Russell and Co were not still in captivity as he also gave impetus to the preaching:

https://preview.redd.it/mzgpe0tqfz0h1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7e28090cd5ad79cf675bdd6f2d1d042ce0b9287

https://preview.redd.it/vajr0vcsfz0h1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=2045e203cfe482c237b2b1824835816546093e87

Bible students preached zealously during Russell's era

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u/CarefulExaminer — 11 hours ago
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Here's some of what they said or promised about the now-deleted pre-2021 monthly JWBroadcasting programs: "Answered prayers", "Jehovah's gift", "Available on demand".

The organization promoted the value and emotional importance of those pre-2021 monthly JW Broadcasting content, only for much of it to quietly disappear from the website and the JW Library app.

They called it:

  • “Jehovah’s gift”
  • “an answer to our prayers”
  • something that “completely changed” lives
  • something lonely and discouraged Witnesses could turn to whenever they needed comfort
  • content “available on demand”

So apparently:

  • Jehovah’s “gift” had an expiration date.
  • The “answer to prayers” was temporary.
  • The “available on demand” encouragement is no longer actually available on demand.

https://preview.redd.it/kzz74nszmb0h1.png?width=860&format=png&auto=webp&s=f335d4b145bbccbe27a425aec17b2d06a9016e78

https://preview.redd.it/bv1ctok2nb0h1.png?width=837&format=png&auto=webp&s=4490120ecbef56b9929b4220333aaf5c984c3ed5

The organization often warns members against relying on outside material because spiritual guidance must come through official channels. Yet now the organization itself has erased years of its own “spiritual food” after insisting how essential it was.

If these broadcasts truly represented timeless spiritual instruction and Jehovah’s thinking, why erase so much of it?

And if older broadcasts now contain material embarrassing, outdated, inconvenient, or inconsistent with current messaging, what does that say about the claim that this content came from Jehovah’s direction in the first place?

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u/CarefulExaminer — 4 days ago
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What they tell the Public: "You can enjoy our free home Bible study without becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses." What they tell the Rank and File: "Terminate the study if the student is not progressing towards becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses."

I came across something that perfectly illustrates the double messaging used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in their recruitment process - a classic bait and switch.

On their public website, they advertise their free home Bible study with reassuring language like:

“No, you are not obligated in any way” to become one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
“Millions enjoy our Bible study program without becoming Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
“What you decide to do with that knowledge is up to you.”
https://www.jw.borg/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/no-obligation-study/ (Remove b from borg)

Sounds fair enough, right? Almost like it’s just a neutral Bible education program with no strings attached.

https://preview.redd.it/bcf0l4che60h1.png?width=1518&format=png&auto=webp&s=46b72affb2286d5eb1d5b6d955181bc40e1bc76c

But their internal training material tells a very different story:

This will be the study point for the first student assignments in the June Workbook.

Classic Bait and Switch. Why promise something you don't intend to keep?

If the real objective of the Bible study program is conversion into the organization, why not just say that plainly upfront instead of presenting it as an open-ended, no-pressure Bible discussion arrangement?

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u/CarefulExaminer — 5 days ago
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Not sure about why they have deleted the insert of 11/06 km in particular ( see u/larchington's detailed post ), although simililar information is found in many other publications, both past and present: magazines, God's Love book, Enjoy Life Book (current study publication). Why would they prioritize editing an archived publication over current ones? And still nothing on the DPA after 2 months of the update!

Is it not blatantly unethical to edit an archived publication in this way - without any notes, warning or explanation? How different from their own reference to Bible Writers who were honest about their own failings and recorded them!

Has there ever been such an extensive edit of a Watch Tower publication decades after being published? I know there have been minor edits in some bound volumes and pages were taken out of the Finished Mystery book after a year or so, but not 2 decades!

The only possible reason that comes to mind for removing that entire insert but holding on with any current updates to publication is if they want to roll out additional updates on the blod policy first, like potentially changing their stance on blood components vs fractions, and making all components a matter of consience too! Afterall per their own logic, if the Bible does not comment on storing one's blood, it also does not comment on components and fractions either. What are your thoughts?

Where did the Bible draw these lines?

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u/CarefulExaminer — 7 days ago