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u/CaptainMarcia — 3 hours ago

A few collector numbers can tell us a lot about how a set is structured. Let's take a look.

The Hobbit is, as expected, a small set. The last known new card is [[My Precious]] at 176, while the earliest known basic is a full-art Plains at 194. However, this does not necessarily mean the number of non-basic cards is 193. Looking at the previous two small sets, SPM has 188 non-basic cards followed by full-art basics from 189-193 and half-art basics from 194-198, while TMT has 190 non-basic cards followed by full-art basics from 191-195. (The slight changes in TMT's numbers are likely related to its guaranteed legendary turtle slot.)

HOB having full-art basics from 194-198 is a bit different, so it's possible that HOB has an extra five cards relative to SPM, but a simpler explanation is that HOB has the same 188-card main-set structure as SPM but has its half-art basics listed first, from 189-193. While a number of recent sets have their full-art basics before the half-art ones, ECL and TLA both have the half-arts first, so this is entirely plausible for HOB as well. SPM's main 188 cards consist of 60 commons, 55 uncommons, 53 rares, 15 mythics, and 5 common taplands. It's likely that the 60/55/53/15 breakdown is the current standard for small sets, meaning that if HOB does have an extra five cards, they would probably be taplands.

The next question is what's after the basics. We've seen dragon hoard frames from 219-235, book cover cards at 243 and 247, and the headliner [[Smaug, the Magnificent]] at 249. The Collecting The Hobbit article reports that there are 25 dragon hoard cards and 10 book cover cards, so the logical way to fill this in is that book cover cards run from 239-248 and the dragon hoard cards run from 214-238. Looking ahead supports this: we see the same dragon hoard cards in surge foil from 255-271, and the book cover cards in surge foil at 279 and 283. Both sections put five dragon hoard cards ahead of [[Bilbo, Thief in the Night]]: 214-218 for the regular versions and 250-254 for surge foil.

Typically, all versions that appear in Play Boosters appear before the ones that don't. This indicates the Play Booster collector numbers are 001-248, while subsequent collector numbers are for cards that appear elsewhere. (Once a set's product listings go up, they tend to list the exact collector numbers appearing in each product, which could confirm this as well as which collector numbers correspond to half-art basics, since those get excluded from Collector Boosters. I don't know if this information is available for HOB yet.) This means there's one section of collector numbers that should appear in Play Boosters that we haven't seen yet. With basics running to either 198 or 203, and dragon hoard cards starting at 214, there should be either 10 or 15 other showcase cards using one or more frames we haven't seen yet.

(Edit: The product listing is indeed up and confirms that, as expected, Play Boosters are 001-248 while Collector Boosters are 001-188 for the main set and 194-312 for special arts.)

In the Collector Booster section, surge foil dragon hoard cards should run from 250-274, and surge foil book cover cards from 275-284. We can see extended-art cards shortly after that, starting with [[An Unexpected Party]] at 289. (Note that the regular printing of An Unexpected Party is at 029, at what appears to be the end of the mono-W collector numbers, so it's being alphabetically sorted under U rather than A.) The seasonal Shire Plains run from 313-320 (4 regular and 4 surge foil) while the extended-art [[Tom, Bert, and William]] are at 312, so it appears the extended-art cards run from 285-312, for a total of 28.

The number of extended-art cards is useful information. Typically, extended-art treatments go to whatever rares and mythics don't get a regular showcase version. So if the total number of rares and mythics is 68, like in SPM (and like most 2010s large sets), that means there should be 40 total rares and mythics with showcase versions.

The other Hobbit collector number information to consider is HOC. Looking at the HOC cards so far, we've seen regular box toppers from 036-044, surge foil box toppers from 076-084, and a dwarven language card at 095. The Collecting The Hobbit article states that there are 40 box toppers and 5 dwarven language cards, as well as 12 scene cards. Given that the two box topper sections run slightly past 040 and 080 (but only with cards late in collector number ordering), my guess is that the scene cards are before the box toppers at 001-012, the regular box toppers are from 013-052, and the surge foil box toppers are from 053-092. This puts the dwarven language cards at 093-097, fitting perfectly.

(Edit: The product listing says Collector Boosters include HOB 001-106, so there's another nine slots after the dwarven language cards not yet accounted for.)

A note on box topper availability. Each box (either Play Boosters or Collector Boosters) has one regular foil box topper, which seem to all be the same rarity. With a box being 30 packs, and 40 box toppers available, the frequency of each box topper showing up in Play Booster boxes should be relatively similar to SPM's bonus sheet - which was 40 MAR cards with one per 24 Play Boosters. However, SPM's bonus sheet could also show up in Play Boosters distributed in other ways, while HOB's can't. It's also worth noting that every SPM Collector Booster had a bonus sheet card. HOB's box toppers can appear in Collector Boosters - and it's the only place they appear in non-foil and surge foil - but the article does not clarify the frequency. This will likely have a significant impact on the availability of the box toppers, including the high-profile [[The One Ring]] with its rather controversial "new" art.

The other set we got a first look at is Reality Fracture. There's no Collecting Reality Fracture article yet, but we do have seven collector numbers revealed, all telling different pieces of a very strange story.

For a baseline, let's consider a chart of the seven large Standard sets released from the start of 2025 to now. The only thing that's notably out of place is the TDM dragon eye basics being after the regular basics rather than being with the other Collector Booster exclusives - everything else is where we'd expect.

In FRA, we have the following:

  • Mono-B [[Bloodline Recollector]] at 049
  • Mono-U [[Chandra, Chill of Compliance]] at 212
  • Mono-R [[Chandra, Torch of Defiance]] at 244
  • Borderless [[Stingcaster Mage]] at 329
  • Headliner Bloodline Recollector at 402
  • Extended-art Bloodline Recollector at 427
  • Facet foil Stingcaster Mage at 457

Which is to say: the regular Bloodline Recollector is abnormally early for a mono-B card, the two Chandras are abnormally late for any monocolor card, and the extended-art and facet foil versions have abnormally high collector numbers in general. DFT had bundle cards with higher numbers, and FIN had Collector Booster cards with higher numbers, but for in-universe cards expected to appear in Collector Boosters, there's nothing this high in this timeframe. (Even MSH cards we've seen so far only go up to the high 300s.)

We're working with very limited data here, but I was able to get the gist of the paired card structure from one card in the previous set, so let's see what we can get.

I should note that my prediction did overshoot slightly. I guessed that each pack would have both a common pair and an uncommon/rare/mythic pair - but from the sound of things, there's just one pair per pack and it's always a known character, so probably a legendary creature or planeswalker at uncommon or higher.

The easy inference is that the two Chandras are in a section dedicated to paired cards. This removes cards from the regular monocolor sections, moving Bloodline Recollector earlier. But how large is the paired section - and where does it fit into the order?

The two Chandras are two colors and 32 collector numbers apart. Being in the same spot in the alphabet means we could guess that each color covers about 16 collector numbers, for a total of about 80. But that assumes order within the paired section follows regular collector number ordering. It certainly doesn't follow the Battlebond approach to paired cards, since BBD put each partner pair in consecutive numbers - but those were meant to be played together rather than against each other. But another possibility is that all the alt-universe cards are first, followed by all the regular-universe ones. This would put seven half-colors between them - for about 5 cards per half-color, and a total of about 50.

50 strikes me as a more plausible estimate than 80. I previously guessed 82 paired cards, but that was including 24 commons, with only 58 cards in the uncommon/rare/mythic paired slots. For balanced cycles of 10, that could work out to 50 or 60 paired cards in 25 or 30 pairs. This would also make the regular Chandra at 244 closer to the end of the paired collector numbers. However the paired collector numbers are organized, it will be a lot easier to assess after seeing even just one other pair.

The number of paired cards after the regular Chandra and whether artifacts/nonbasics/basics are after that will determine how close this is to the end of the "main set". Play Booster showcase cards should be after that. Having the headliner at 402, the extended-arts after that, and the facet foils even later suggests a lot of "conventional" showcase cards before them, most if not all of them probably appearing in Play Boosters. FIN had an abnormally high number of showcase cards in Play Boosters - 111 of them - and if FRA's main set is a normal size, it could be heading for something similar.

Our one reference point is the borderless Stingcaster Mage. It's at 327 - relatively early in the gap between main-set cards and the headliner - but unlike mono-R cards in other sets, regular Stingcaster Mage probably has a collector number in the late two digits, about a third of the way through the set. So a proportional place in a borderless section could allow that borderless section to be quite large.

However, the facet foil poses a complication. Extended-art Bloodline Collector is at 427, while facet foil Stingcaster is at 457. Most extended-art cards should be after Bloodline Collector, and if there are a lot of them, that would cut into the total expected space for the borderless cards. (At least, if the borderless cards all have facet foil versions, but precedent suggests that's likely.) And there's a lot of room between 427 and the headliner at 402 - except it's too much room for them to plausibly all be extended-arts. So there's probably something else there, which means who knows how large the extended-art section actually is.

Applying some heavy conjecture, here's a possible collector number structure:

  • 001-023: White
  • 024-046: Blue
  • 047-069: Black
  • 070-092: Red
  • 093-115: Green

(Edit: Fixed a math error in this section.)

Okay, just from typing out that much, that's already interesting. Accounting for the blue Chandra at 212, the number of cards between unpaired green and paired white looks to be quite large - most likely in the range of 75-90. Even in a multicolor-heavy set, multicolor cards alone would be hard-pressed to get there. FRA is apparently not a faction set, but even adding 10-16 paired cards to each color would leave their totals rather low. If it even includes nonbasic lands, that would imply the FRA paired cards should run to at least 261 - which gets a bit strange to map onto the known collector numbers, but depending on how the colors shake out, it could work. (For example, green halves of pairs skewing towards regular versions rather than alt versions - there's some evidence of this already.) So let's say:

  • 116-201: Multicolor + Artifact + Nonbasic land
  • 202-261: Paired cards
  • 262-281: Basic lands

This still feels a bit weird, but weird does kind of just come with the territory here. Probably about as close as we can get for now - unless anyone's got any better ideas.

u/CaptainMarcia — 11 days ago