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High quality, non-idol costume dramas rec list

High quality, non-idol costume dramas rec list

A few people reached out and asked me for recommendations on non-idol dramas. I'm sticking to historical and costume dramas because that's what I usually watch. I've mentioned the ones I've seen and many, many others are on my watch list. Feel free to share and discuss more such non-idol dramas and what you loved about them.

Dramas I've seen and highly recommend:

  1. Romance of the Three Kingdoms (1994): Is it long and requires you to open Wikipedia tabs? Yes. Is it worth it? Absolutely. Top notch acting from everyone, great attention to detail and accuracy, copious use of classical Chinese and poetry, and great pacing, I was literally glued to my screen for this one.

Born to play Cao Cao

  1. The Great Revival: I have a weakness for Chen Daoming and walked into this one with no context. One word - amazing. The acting is stellar, the historical accuracy high, cinematography is beautiful and almost noir like in places. I'm still watching this one but it's quite difficult not to rave about this one.

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  1. Empresses in the Palace/ Legend of Zhen Huan: one of the best Qing harem dramas, perhaps only topped by War and Beauty. Harrowing in it's character depiction, although it has it's share of plot holes, I still think of and commiserate with Zhen Huan and every single woman in that stuffy hougong.

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  1. Joy of Life: Season 3 when?!! This drama made me firmly stay in Cdramaland. I remember seeing Zhang Ruoyun and Cao Cuifen in a scene and went, "Wow, I really wasn't expecting this level of acting and nuance." It has something for everyone. Elements of wuxia, struggle for social justice and basic dignity, poetry slams, family drama on steroids, betrayals and murders, diplomatic incidents provoking war. You'll never be bored.

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  1. Swords into Plowshares: You know you're watching some seriously bleak stuff when 10 minutes into episode 1 there is >!filicide and cannibalism. !<It's brutal, gorgeously cinematographic, continuously struggles with morality, tender in places, and acted really well.

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  1. Ming Dynasty in 1566: A slow, measured, and quietly violent drama. There's a great deal of historical accuracy in the characters (just not the costumes and props though), seriously Chen Baoguo's performance as the Jiajing emperor scares and impresses me even today. You slowly come to the crushing realization that the system is rotten to the core and does not care if common people live or die.

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  1. Ripe Town: a short, dark, grimy thriller in the late Ming dynasty. You can literally taste the decay in the air; the lighting is that superb. I watched this within 2 days because it is rather well paced and compelling. Ripe Town does not pretend to cast a blanket on cruelty, corruption, or betrayal. It tells it as it is and there is little closure or true justice in the end despite the case officially being solved.

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  1. Kangxi Dynasty: Siqin Gaowa as the regal Empress Dowager and later grand empress dowager is reason enough to watch this one. Also kudos to all the actors who have played Kangxi, they've done a wonderful job. Part of a three drama series, I'm now pumped to watch Yongzheng and Qianlong dynasty.

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  1. The longest day in Chang'an: one of the most period accurate dramas ever. Lush and gorgeous lighting, great acting by a varied cast, I ended up falling in love with the Tang dynasty and it's beautiful poetry. It does stretch a bit more than what's strictly necessary, but I loved every minute of it.

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  1. The Rise of Phoenixes: a thrilling, intelligent succession drama marred by a terrible number of cuts and choppy editing. I first saw Ni Dahong in this and was beyond impressed by his portrayal of a cruel but brilliant emperor. Revenge, secrets that cost you everything, family politics, witchcraft, again a drama that has everything, and you won't be bored for the most part.

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  1. Sha Er Shi Zhang/ The Naive Leader: a rather humorous republican era drama. No, that's not a contradiction. Acted almost entirely in Sichuanese dialects, it has a folk element to it in the tale of a wise fool who climbs the ranks of the army to be a great general. There's quite some serious stuff going on though and a lot is being said in the guise of humor.

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Dramas I've yet to see (I'm restricting myself to only 10 because otherwise this list will never end):

1. Nirvana in Fire

2. Ruyi's royal love in the palace

3. The rise of the Tang empire

4. The emperor in Han dynasty/ Han wu da di

5. Fearless blood

6. The eloquent Ji Xiaolan

7. The king's war

8. Qin empire series

9. All quiet in Peking

10. Palace of desire

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u/Both-Improvement-880 — 14 hours ago
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This has been on my mind for a while and u/Initial_Surround6623 pushed the idea further. I've only been watching Cdramas for a little over 2 years, and there a great many dramas I haven't yet watched, but these are the male actors I admire the most. I'll probably watch anything featuring them and have analyzed and even obsessed over them at 3am because they are that interesting. They're all serious, veteran actors past 40; I'll make a separate post for female actors.

Chen Daoming

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He was the first one I thought of and for good reason. I remember being electrified when I saw him as the emperor in Joy of Life and thought, "He is what a capable and brilliantly terrifying emperor ought to be". This man is the reason I wrote literal thesis level analysis and character justifications for Joy of Life. He embodies subtle menace, charisma, and a presence that, when encountered, you will ignore everyone else in the room. I have never been disappointed in anything he stars in.

His role as the Kangxi emperor and King Goujian of Yue are other highlights for me. But when I dug up one of his old, unsubbed dramas, I saw him gaze at the female lead with such adoration and tenderness … every straight woman wants to be looked at like that. It probably says something about me that he is on my phone screen.

Bao Guo'an

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One of the most veteran actors on the list and responsible for bolstering my interest in Classical Chinese poetry. I cannot imagine anyone else playing Cao Cao better, he embodied that role. He also played the abbot in the Shaolin monk series quite well. His role as Emperor Yang of Sui was also interesting; so far, I had only read of him as a terrible, one-dimensional, cruel ruler, but Bao Guo'an made him achingly human. Incredibly expressive, wonderfully clear, and sonorous.

Chen Baoguo

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Another actor I was lowkey terrified of when I first saw him laughing as the Jiajing emperor in Ming Dynasty in 1566. I remember noting how his eyes looked so cold and merciless even when his lips curved into a smile, it's one of the finest pieces of acting I've seen in that great drama. It's a pity that much of his work is unsubbed and rarely broadcast for international audiences.

Ni Dahong

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A method actor par extraordinaire, this man keeps surprising me the more I see of him. I first saw him as the cruel but brilliant emperor in The Rise of Phoenixes and immediately thought that he could rival Chen Daoming's Qing di in JoL in pitting his sons against each other or how he could make others run around in circles in Ming Dynasty in 1566.

His portrayal of Hu Jinsi in Swords into Plowshares was truly iconic and ngl I gulped in a couple of scenes. Lately, I've begun All is Well and his role as Su Daqing is another rage-inducing character, I've rarely been so damn angry with a character in modern dramas.

Tang Guoqiang

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One of my most beloved actors on the list, cast as the mischievous and cunning Zhuge Liang was the first time I saw him. Like Bao Guo'an as Cao Cao, now I cannot imagine any other actor outshining him as Zhuge Liang, I honestly don't know how these actors have made these role iconic and unreplaceable but they have. His guest role as Genghis also struck me, he probably wasn't there for more than 3 or 4 episodes, but he made a mark felt episodes later.

Wang Xueqi

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I have yet to see his best work, but his supporting role in War of Faith got me all interested. Amiable yet keen and sharp, he was one of the building blocks of what made that drama so memorable. But he was almost unrecognizable as the Yongle emperor in Ming Dynasty, almost as if they are two separate actors. Again, an emperor to be truly wary of, he gets up close and personal with the character he plays, and kept me in nail-biting tension for a long time.

Hu Jun

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I unashamedly admit that I was all over Hu Jun as Kublai Khan. My brain went, "Hell's bells, now that's a fit general. What a wide chest and strong waist." But my interest piqued when I saw how alternately expressive and controlled his eyes were, he's a great listener.

But his character as Fuchai in The Great Revival has made me a true fan. You can tell that he has understood and digested the historical Fuchai. His earnestness, transitioning to cold calculation, righteous anger, is heady and it certainly wasn't easy when your rival actor is Chen Daoming, but I am greatly appreciating Hu Jun.

Liu Yijun

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He's fast becoming one of my favourites. From his memorable guest role in Reset as the police chief who sees through people to the brown-nosing but mean and cunning Feng Deyi in Initiating Prosperity, I could barely recognize him sometimes in the sheer number of roles he's played. There's a certain stillness about him that you can recognize and it's one of the things I love about him.

Wang Yang

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A highly gifted character actor. I first saw him in Joy of Life and was impressed, he did a fabulous job as the jaded lawyer in Under the Microscope. But as Shen Tunan in War of Faith?!!! He really seemed like someone right out of 1930s Shanghai. There's a Clint Eastwood sort of tough guy air to him, which is why he gets interesting in his more vulnerable moments. Hopefully he'll keep picking more such projects.

Zhu Yawen

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A damn promising actor who's doing intense work. I stumbled upon Ming Dynasty (2019) by accident and was struck by his interpretation of the imperial grandson. He has a keen sense of timing and, like Hu Jun, has incredibly expressive eyes and is quite responsive. I was pleased to see him in Swords into Plowshares and his dynamic with Bai Yu and Yu Haoming was one of the high points of the series for me. Hope he continues doing better.

I've only seen or am currently watching one of their dramas, but Ding Yongdai, Wang Bing, Ge Zhijun, Jia Yiping (all in The Great Revival), Ning Li (Joy of Life 2 and Ripe Town), Chen Jianbin (Empresses in the Palace), Zhang Fengyi (Farewell my Concubine), Dong Yong (Swords into Plowshares), Zhang Guangbei (Romance of the Three Kingdoms), among others, have all made me sit up straight and go, "Omg, he acts so well, who's this guy? I need to see more of him"

Which serious veteran male actors are your favorites and which of their performances were particularly iconic?

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u/Both-Improvement-880 — 12 days ago