u/BlockAffectionate413

Who wins this, team or Nyan?

Team : Suiryu, Choze, and human form Gale Wind, 3 demon level guys

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Nyan(dragon, but far from storngest dragon)

u/BlockAffectionate413 — 2 days ago

Did Kylo Ren get a power boost here?

So in images 1-2, force sensitive Hutt bodyguad, casually one shots Kylo and calls him weak.

In image 3 Kylo is trapped in prison and chained

In image 4 Kylo, after reciving prep talk by Vader( or what he imagines to be Vader), blows up whole building and chains into dust

In image 5 he then casually slaughters Krayt Dragon with just his bare hands/force

In imge 6 we see that he this time killed Hutt and presumably her bodyguard, while he was stomepd before.

In other words, did Kylo recive huge power boost after TLJ due to prep talk from Vader?

u/BlockAffectionate413 — 2 days ago

Vader toyed with massively amped Koth

I honestly thought this was common knowledge by now, but to my surprise, some people still try to argue that fight was somehow anything but that. First, let us establish that Koth is massively amped by dark side, Vader himselfs makes note of that, stating that Koth is more powerful not only than he ever was as a jedi, but then he ever would become as Jedi:

https://preview.redd.it/tpmj8q7x0p0h1.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f34c86e3a4df77910228d97b9407270dea69da72

This is further backed by narrator himself in the novelization, saying the same thing:

https://preview.redd.it/oi55qgo81p0h1.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=945a898d1c1dba87ac2c67acf80c073b3044de7e

It is also backed by wider canon; Cal Kestis, for example, per developers, goes up 10 levels when he taps into dark side, going from being overpowered by Bode, to ragdolling him:

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/js-cal-goes-up-10-levels-daganbode-scaling-new-inf-2332529/

Likewise, Vos, with the Dark Side, went from being weaker than Ventress to beating Dooku. It is very consistent that tapping into the dark side is not a small but an enormous power boost that puts you several tiers above your base self.

Now on to the next piece of context, Vader was toying with Koth the entire time:

https://preview.redd.it/ae5891kn1p0h1.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3366b8a4602eb9e93e046f7bcd263967b2e5189b

Some have said that the novel is contradicted by the comic in this regard, but it is anything but. In the comic itself, pretty early on in the fight, after two clashed just few times, Vader blasts Koth with force and makes him scream in pain:

https://preview.redd.it/dn5y1xat1p0h1.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9a23a8734b0429bc54e8ef14682f8fce0871e3b

Vader then, quite literally, turns around and has a conversation with the Inquisitors while Koth is on the ground, weaponless, still not recovered from that push:

https://preview.redd.it/t1wys8i02p0h1.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c2e434bf3a55df70e116d521208fa906fa085b5

Vader could, if he wanted, have easily killed him then and there instead of turning around and having a conversation with Inquisitors, as Koth was weaponless and defenseless, on the the ground; instead, Vader chose to allow Koth to get his weapon and get up. Why? Because of course, as novel notes, he was playing with him for fun. He did not want Koth to die yet. Even when you just look at comic itself that is quite clear, after all, that is only rason for Vader not to strike Koth when he was down and defensless. Fact that Vader turned around and had a conversation instead mid fight, shows us just how unserious he was taking Koth. So Vader continues to play with Koth, using one hand even, which Koth dodges here:

https://preview.redd.it/zyq6wysf2p0h1.jpg?width=609&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c671340f63ce81054c1ba81d065e50d0829ab864

Koth then barely glazes his helmet but does not land any actual hits, as Vader's helmet is later shown as not having even a screech on it:

https://preview.redd.it/0h7p0com2p0h1.jpg?width=486&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90439aed094e1d275f90ad95ef4881d87964c7a8

Koth then tries to stab Vader, but Vader easily dodges:

https://preview.redd.it/khdu813q2p0h1.jpg?width=641&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f253198f90f39fafa70d3d6dd735bfd49e644b4

And then Vader casually chokes him mid-fight, showing he can ragdoll him at will:

https://preview.redd.it/ctcmy1ws2p0h1.jpg?width=410&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efcac1b7a0c5f338886ecb3a246068e900f228f3

But, again, Vader does not choose to kill him here, he lets him go from the choke because he still did not want to kill him just yet.

We then cut to the final panel in which Koth looks beaten to rags, as the scene novel is describing. Some have pointed to this panel as being evidence of Vader being pressed. As evidence, they claim his arm is supposedly “disabled” which, to be frank, is a meme-tier argument. It’s just the way the comic art is drawn. The official description of this panel is “The man had been nearly beaten to rags, while Vader looked as he always did, timeless and inevitable in gleaming plasteel and leather.”

https://preview.redd.it/kzvevm2z2p0h1.jpg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f64996f35ae0c26bccae6d02c3665b1ca71145fe

Vader then finally shows him his family taken out, and kills him then, because he wanted Koth to see his family be taken out first. So in short:

  1. Koth was much more powerful then he ever was as a Jedi, per both Vader and the narrator in novel, which is consistent with wider canon.
  2. Vader drove Koth back in a duel, and then, early on, after just clashing with Koth a few times, blasted him with force with ease, making Koth scream in pain and putting him down for an extended period of time, to the point that Vader could turn around, hear report and give orders, hving entire conversation, while Koth was still down, weaponless and defensless. Vader could easily have killed him then and there if he wanted, but he did not want to do so, not yet
  3. The reason he did not want to kill him yet is that Vader was playing with him for fun, as confirmed both in comic itself, given what I said above, and in novel by narrator personally. Vader did not want to kill him untill Koth saw his family captured
  4. Vader easily choked Koth at will, mid-fight, before releasing him, as he did not want him dead quite yet, showing ability to ragdoll him whenever he felt like it.
  5. Koth did not land even a single clean hit on Vader, Vader did not have even a scratch on his armor, while Koth was beaten to rags

In short, early Vader toyed with massively amped Koth, in very objectively low-diff fight that Vader could have ended much sooner had he wanted to, but he did not. Koth for comparasion has , even without dark side, could have beaten early CW Grevious:

https://preview.redd.it/ek0ykosz9p0h1.jpg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5a782fb21024e5a12623710c4cd0465cfbc6ae5

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u/BlockAffectionate413 — 2 days ago

How do you feel about manga SW/art as opposed to comics?

Having started reading Fallen Order manga adaptation, it looks really great to me, better than most SW comics, what do you think?

u/BlockAffectionate413 — 3 days ago

For those of you who read these volumes of Fallen Order manga, how good is it?

I just orded it and would like some info on what to expect, is it 1vs1 adaptation, does manga add a bit of manga take on it( more over top visuals, powers etc), does it add any new scenes, is it good?

u/BlockAffectionate413 — 4 days ago

Have any of you read manga adaptation? If so should I buy it?

I want to buy it but would like to now if someone read it here, what to expect, is it 1vs1 adaptation, does manga add bit of manga take on it(visuals, powers etc), is it good?

u/BlockAffectionate413 — 4 days ago

How big is a gap between these two currently( manga versions)?

Both neo hero leaders, but how big you think is gap? Obviously, Suiryu had a close fight with Demon level Choze in his own words, while Blue has, seemingly, taken on much bigger fish than Choze and won, those being actual dragons, but some have questioned whether Blue really won those or was it an illusion by good old Dr controlling them. Anyway, what do you think?

u/BlockAffectionate413 — 5 days ago

Do you think more competent force users vs peak non-force users should be written like this?

Spoiler from Trials of Jedi:

>>!Porter sidestepped, and Viess surged past, correcting immediately and spinning into another attack. So he seized her with the Force, lifted her off her feet, threw her across the bridge, and slammed her against the largest of the viewports looking out at the swirl of hyperspace. Viess’s skull cracked against the hardened transparisteel, her armor clanging and rattling. Everyone flinched. The bridge viewport was reinforced, strong enough to repel hits from lasers and meteorite impacts. Porter would have needed to throw the general much harder to fracture it. But still—in space, the last thing you wanted was someone messing with the viewports. “Hnnngh,” Viess said, her voice thick. It was clear that the general’s bell had been pretty thoroughly rung, though to her credit she’d held on to her sword. Keep it, Porter thought. Now his lightsaber lifted from its holster, raised into the air via the Force. It whipped through the air, stopping suddenly very close to Viess’s face, the emitter end a few centimeters from her eye. “Do you see what I’m saying, General?” Porter said. “This was never a match. It’s time for me to do my job.He walked across the bridge, coming closer to her. Viess’s eyes were locked on the lightsaber hilt hovering directly before her eye. !<

>>!He gestured at Viess, still pressed hard against the window, still holding her sword. “We’re incredible.” He pointed at several of the Nihil in turn. “You know what I’m talking about. I know you do.” Uneasy murmurs. “Even though we Jedi are very few in number, we can still be very effective at bringing light. Because when people consider being really bad, getting truly dark, there’s always a little voice in the back of their head— What if they send a Jedi after me?” Porter looked back at Viess, really looked at her, this sad woman who had devoted her entire life to death. Her long life. Are you any different? Porter asked himself. I try to be, came the answer. “I am the Jedi they send, Abediah Viess, and I have come for you. Everywhere you go, people get hurt, people die. Your time is over. That’s all there is to it. I’m certain.” “But your sister…” Viess gasped. “Don’t you—” “Barash is wherever she is,” Porter said. “I’ll find her if that’s my path. I’m sick of you being part of my story with her.” Viess’s face twisted, her lips thinning, her eyes clenching into dark little pits. “I’ll tell you where she is,” Viess snarled. “She’s dead. She’s in the dirt, Porter.” “If that’s the case…” Porter Engle said. The activation switch on his lightsaber triggered, just for a moment. A spear of bright-blue light flicked out and through the head of General Abediah Viess. “Tell her I said hello.”!<

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u/BlockAffectionate413 — 6 days ago

I am not just talking about the left, I have seen it on both sides, thankfully not from that many politicians, but more so from parts of the base, especially those too much online. But have you noticed that? When their side wins elections, things are fine, but when they lose elections, like it happens often in democracy, suddenly the country is bad, they want to secede, withhold federal taxes, etc. Where do you think that comes from? Is it from people not being able to separate the country and regime currently in power and being opposition to regime, but not country itself?

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u/BlockAffectionate413 — 6 days ago