u/Alone-Host3105

Is the new property tax reform actually that bad? Lets run the numbers...

Everyone is losing their mind overnight... Let's run the actual numbers before we panic.

The headlines are screaming about the end of negative gearing and the CGT discount. What they're missing is an important mechanic buried in the budget paper, your quarantined losses don't disappear. They accumulate and come back to offset your capital gain at exit. That changes the math.

Here's what the reform actually does:

  • Negative gearing losses can no longer reduce your wage income immediately. They get quarantined and carried forward.
  • The 50% CGT discount is replaced with CPI indexation, you only pay tax on the real gain above inflation.
  • A 30% minimum tax floor applies at exit.

I've worked out two investment scenarios with different growth rates and holding periods and calculated the impact to the total return to the investor under the old and new tax regime.

Open to hear people's thoughts on this?

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Scenario 1 - Assumptions

  • $650k property, $100k deposit, $550k loan @ 6.5%
  • Interest: $550k × 6.5% = $35,750/yr
  • Rent: $650k × 5% = $32,500/yr (5% yield)
    • Less expenses $6,750 = $25,750 net rental income
    • Shortfall: $35,750 − $25,750 = $10k negatively geared
  • 5 year hold
    • 20% CAGR, sale price $1.3m
  • Marginal rate 47%, CPI 2.5%
  • Indexed cost base: $650k × 1.025^5 = $735.4k

 Pre-Reform

  • Annual tax refund on shortfall: $10k × 47% = $4,700/yr
    • Effective out of pocket: $10k − $4.7k = $5,300/yr
    • Total hold costs over 5 years: $5,300 × 5 = $26,500
  • Nominal gain: $1.3m − $650k = $650k
    • CGT: $650k × 50% discount × 47% = $152,750
  • Net equity at sale: $1.3m − $550k (loan) − $152,750 (CGT) = $597,250
  • Net wealth: $597,250 − $100k (deposit) − $26,500 (hold costs) = $470,750

 Post-Reform

  • No tax refund,  losses quarantined, zero immediate benefit, full $10k out of pocket every year
  • Total hold costs over 5 years: $10k × 5 = $50,000
    • At exit, losses come back and hit the gain first
  • Real gain after indexation: $1.3m − $735,400 = $564,600
  • Less quarantined losses: $564,600 − $50,000 = $514,600 taxable
  • CGT: $514,600 × 47% = $241,900 (47% exceeds 30% floor so full rate applies)
  • Net equity at sale: $1.3m − $550k (loan) − $241,900 (CGT) = $508,100
  • Net wealth: $508,100 − $100k (deposit) − $50k (hold costs) = $358,100

The damage

  • Net wealth: $470,750 vs $358,100 = $112,650 worse off

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Scenario 2

Now, lets assume 50% total growth over 3 years (16.6% CAGR). Ultimate sale price of $975k

Pre-Reform

  • Annual tax refund on shortfall: $10k × 47% = $4,700/yr
    • Effective out of pocket: $10k − $4.7k = $5,300/yr
    • Total hold costs over 3 years: $5,300 × 3 = $15,900
  • Nominal gain: $975k − $650k = $325k
    • CGT: $325k × 50% discount × 47% = $76,375
  • Net equity at sale: $975k − $550k (loan) − $76,375 (CGT) = $348,625
  • Net wealth: $348,625 − $100k (deposit) − $15,900 (hold costs) = $232,725

 Post-Reform

  • No tax refund, losses quarantined, zero immediate benefit, full $10k out of pocket every year
  • Total hold costs over 3 years: $10k × 3 = $30,000
    • At exit, losses come back and hit the gain first
  • Real gain after indexation: $975k − $700k = $275k
  • Less quarantined losses: $275k − $30k = $245k taxable
  • CGT: $245k × 47% = $115,150 (47% exceeds 30% floor so full rate applies)
  • Net equity at sale: $975k − $550k (loan) − $115,150 (CGT) = $309,850
  • Net wealth: $309,850 − $100k (deposit) − $30k (hold costs) = $179,850

 The damage

  • Net wealth: $232,725 vs $179,850 = $52,875 worse off
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u/Alone-Host3105 — 1 day ago

Buying a 40-50yr old timber home with NO subfloor access – deal breaker?

Just got the B&P back on a property in regional Victoria. 40-50 years old, concrete stump footings with timberframe and weatherboard cladding.

Inspector couldn't locate an entry point to the subfloor void at all so that area wasn't inspected. Report explicitly recommends further access prior to purchase.

The rest of the report was actually pretty decent – above average for age, no termites found in accessible areas, no wood decay or borer activity. But a few things are making me nervous about the subfloor specifically:

  • Termite risk rated moderate-to-high
  • No evidence of any prior termite treatment or management plan on the property ever
  • Hot water overflow discharging against the structure (report flags this as "highly conducive to termites"

Critical date is coming soon. I've asked the vendor via the BA to either arrange subfloor access for a follow-up inspection or extend the critical date. Still waiting to hear back and getting the feeling the BA is going to push me to just proceed (context, 2nd deal with the BA, first one has shot the lights out but still think they'd push for their BA fee).

Property is sub $500k. If they won't give access would you:

  • Push for a price reduction to account for the unknown risk?
  • Just proceed given the rest of the report was solid?
  • Walk away

Appreciate any thoughts from people who've been through similar.

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u/Alone-Host3105 — 3 days ago