u/AlboGreece

So, in sure we all know that people can't stop harping on the kisses from Snow White and Sleeping Beauty supposedly being inappropriate because the princes didn't talk about it to them. The thing that really annoys me whenever I see this is two things people either miss or don't care about:

• They are very clearly interested in each other. It's not a one sided thing. Both couples like each other. They both already gave permission.
• It's explicitly stated to be pretty much CPR with magic. The only way to break the spell was through the kiss. In CPR, when you do mouth to mouth, it's to revive someone who can't breathe. Also, in CPR you don't ASK, you DO IT. I find it really weird how when it's fiction, even when it's very clearly not perverted or necrophilia, people interpret it as those exact things and thus some "terrible evil influence on kids", just because there's magic involved, yet in real life, those same people would probably put their mouths on the mouth of a drowning victim if necessary and probably wouldn't care about consent.

Every time I see this I remind people that it's literally the same thing, and if they're teaching their kids misinformation like that, they better tell their kids that if someone isn't breathing and needs mouth to mouth, to just leave them behind because they can't consent even if you do ask.

So, whenever I see people make edits, even ones that don't necessarily demonize old princesses, they say "I need a man" "no I don't" in different princesses. They proceed to show a bunch of modern ones, official and unoffical... And I'm like "okay but almost every Disney heroine needs a man, because most of the time whenever they get in danger, it's a man that saves them and they're often in situations where a man is the only other person nearby (think: Jasmine, Mulan, Belle, Meg, Esmeralda, Anna, Moana when she is almost eaten by Tamatoa, Raya when she falls off the roof and her dad saved her as a teen, and one of the two times Merida gets saved the mom stands back and lets the dad save her little girl)". So I was wondering, how do you REALLY tell when she "needs" a man vs when a man just "happens" to save or protect her?

This isn't an argument btw, just wondering. Because most people, no matter what side they're on, seem to word it in a way that sounds like they're being literal and if so that's completely incorrect. Even the modern movies do not tend to have women saving other women, it's still a man saving her unless she gets out of danger alone. In fact most modern fiction still has a woman saved by a man at some point which defeats the claims that modern media is "women who don't need men to save them (it that was true, not just for Disney, then the character would NEVER have a male savior. Only women and herself.)