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I know it is bad but how bad was it really. alongside the main books what did the world of ice and fire (the published version) and The Westerlabds chapter from WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE SAMPLE says about Tytos’s reign and the time period itself?

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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 — 17 days ago

Now a couple days ago that I was defending Bloo character and how the internet viewpoint of the character is kinda well overblown to the point he kinda treat as the most hated character in Cartoon history yet Patrick Star (especially his actions in season 6 and 7.) and Even Bender are given a pass who did arguably much worse then Bloo.

But one incident that proves about Bloo beyond the episode where he was famous at one time as a deodorant mascot (before being treated badly by Ken the jerk.) is the episode Bloo superdude and the magic potato like yes he destroyed the potato (Mac’s game.) but at the same time how much we blame him for that and how much was simply everyone going addiction before Bloo had no choice but to destroy.

Obviously we know from Frankie that the house was a mess before Bloo and friends were cleaning chures and then the game is destroyed.

and this is where things get interesting and while Bloo is a unreliable narrator and did destroy Mac’s game like the Usual suspects it seems that based on Frankie account it seems that the broad strokes or the idea of everyone going addicted was true especially given in real life where we humans have an addiction of screens Games or phones you name it. I mean it really says a lot that Madame Foster was also addicted you know the situation was bad (just everyone was distracted.)

The only ones that aren’t addicted is Mr Herlmann, (in blue story he is a bad guy for stopping fun but in reality he was trying to get things in order as everyone was disreacted from the game.) Frankie, (because of course it Frankie.) Wiltz (We don’t know if he was distracted too but given how he is clearly a stand-in to Obi-Wan and the fact he says the Potato belongs to the creator it clearly he was trying to make sure the game is safe and return Mac.  It suggests that in real life, Wilt was probably the only one reminding people, "Hey, guys, I'm sorry, but I really think this belongs to Mac." .) and Bloo (which makes sense given well It Bloo and It’s Mac game.)

something I loved the episode is how left to your interpretation in terms how the Game ended up in the house either Mac left it or Bloo stole it from his backpack because it left ambiguous how the game left on the ground or left in the couch before Eduardo find it. It less Bloo is a jerk in that episode and more trying to prevent everyone addiction fight destroying the game and you know it’s bad at that even Madame Foster Gets addicted on a 21st century Technology.

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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 — 17 days ago
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So I was looking through the awoiaf .westeors.org wiki as I always do and I stumble across Quellon Greyjoy entry and here’s what I found in the behind the scenes section and here’s what it says

“According to the draft of "The Westerlands" chapter from The World of Ice & Fire, Lord Quellon and his ironbornsmashed Lord Farman's fleet and plundered Fair Isle in the years when the weak-willed Lord Tytos Lannister was Warden of the West.[8] However, this piece of information is at odds with the peaceful coexistence between the Iron Islands and the rest of the Seven Kingdomsconducted by Quellon during his lordship, and it should not be considered canon.[1][9].”

The House Farman entry also reiterates the same thing.

“According to the draft of "The Westerlands" chapter from The World of Ice & Fire, in the years when the weak-willed Lord Tytos Lannister was Warden of the West, Lord Farman built a fleet of warships to defend his coasts from ironborn raiding, against the wishes of Lord Tytos who did not wish to give the Greyjoys offense. Nevertheless, Lord Quellon Greyjoy smashed Lord Farman's fleet and plundered Fair Isle.[20] However, this piece of information is at odds with the peaceful coexistence between the Iron Islands and the rest of the Seven Kingdomsconducted by Quellon during his lordship, and it should not be considered canon.[22][23].”

Honestly, I actually am glad that this is the case given how Quellon we know in the published world of ice and Fire book is the exact opposite from the sample version which despite well detail and a lot more detail and a lot more extensive compared to the published version also contain errors like Tywin being  12 at his sister’s betrothal announcement compared to what we know where he was 10 when that event happened.

With that said, I do still find the passage kind of cool since it gives us the breakdown of the feudal order under a weak ruler like Tytos even if the sample is a draft version of the published world of ice and Fire

“As the power of House Lannister waned, other Houses grew stronger, more defiant, and more disorderly. Lord Farman of Fair Isle began to build a fleet of warships to defend his coasts against the ironmen, in defiance of Lord Tytos, who did not wish to give offense to the Greyjoys of Pyke. Three landed knights and a petty lord whose lands lay near the border between the westerlands and the Reach swore fealty to House Tyrell, declaring that Highgarden offered them more protection than Casterly Rock. Lords Jast and Falwell, embroiled in a private quarrel, decided to settle the matter with a melee rather than seek a ruling from the Lion’s Mouth. Nine men were killed, twenty-seven maimed and wounded, and still the quarrel raged on. Lord Stackspear doubled the taxes on his smallfolk, though Lord Tytos forbade it, then hired a company of Volantene sellswords to enforce his onerous exactions.”

— The Westerlabds chapter from WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE SAMPLE

Ultimately what I’m saying here is While the Ironborn attack and them being the reason for  Lord Farman navy buildup is explicitly non-canon because it contradicts Quellon Greyjoy’s peaceful character, the actual unauthorized construction of a navy (like I said only the Ironborn reason being non canon so it has to be a different reason either Piracy was the issue or Lord Farman was just ambition given how pathetic Tytos was.) by Lord Farman could be  semi-canon given the fact we know that he was said to be  grow "truculent" and defiant, Tywin did not send an army; instead, he sent a lone musician to Faircastle to play "The Rains of Castamere". Hearing the song—and remembering the total annihilation of the Reynes—was enough to immediately end Lord Farman’s defiance.  Although this event happened after the Reyne-Tarbeck revolt I could see him doing the same unauthorized naval building as him being defiant even if the Ironborn reason is non canon and the timeline likey moved up  (compared to what the sample chapter states.) since Lord Farman’s defiance happen years after the revolt although we don’t know the exact year.

Ultimately If we treat the navy as semi-canon, Farman’s motivation likely shifted from "defending against a specific Greyjoy invasion" to a general "I’ll protect myself since Casterly Rock won't."

Or maybe the whole Navy thing never happened after all and that Lord Farman being "truculent" and defiant is simply him just mundane like say speaking bad about House Lannister and full independence not something dramatic say a navy buildup. If it’s something dramatic it could be something like say for fortifying or refortifying  their castle or their strongholds

Of course The most likely canonical reality could be that Lord Farman was a political opportunist. He saw Tytos’s weakness and simply stopped acting like a vassal. He didn't need a navy to be defiant; he just needed to stop saying "yes" to Casterly Rock. Instead it would be something like stopped paying taxes, ignored summons to Casterly Rock, or settled their own justice without seeking the "Lion’s Mouth."

Tywin’s use of a song rather than an army suggests that Farman’s "defiance" was one of attitude and protocol rather than a standing military threat.

Plus If Farman built a fleet to defend against "pirates," it would still be seen as an insult to Quellon Greyjoy’s peaceful reforms. Not only that but also the Farmans had a formidable fleet of warships, they would have been a major factor in the later Greyjoy Rebellion or the War of the Five Kings. Since they aren't, it’s safe to assume the "warship buildup" was cut to keep the Ironborn as the undisputed masters of the Sunset Sea.

But what do you all think on this? Weird but interesting post I made. Think of this post as some sort of a deep dive into the "textual archaeology" of Westeros.

Also as a Sidenote I stumble across a theory that suggested that Jeyne Farman who served  as Cersei’s companion was likely her as a "soft" hostage to ensure loyalty.

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u/Afraid-Penalty-757 — 18 days ago