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This is not an attack on the user's who did the "Debunk," but everyone is free to form their own opinion and use whatever they think is best for the debate. Yes, that's your interpretation, okay, but you don't have to be so adamant about who wins from your point of view. Yes, in the end it's subjective and everyone has their own opinion on how the character wins or who wins.

Here I'm going to defend the episode to some extent, but mainly by focusing on the main material they used.

The Megamind material consisted of: The movie, the series, The animated short of the destruction button and the "second movie," that is, Megamind VS the Syndicate of Evil.

The Gru material consisted of: The main Despicable Me movie saga, The Minions movies and nothing else.

Death Battle was based primarily on the source material, which were his films. Material such as games were excluded for both, meaning no Minions Rush and Megamind the video game.

I know they'll say that limits the characters, But not both, even with their most basic means, still maintain their pretty crazy stuff, like a rather destructive and heavy arsenal.

Regarding statistics

Apparently, for Death Battle they didn't use the highest range of Gru's feats as Megamind; they used both characters on an average scale, based on how they were acquired and how far they could climb.

Regarding Gru, they only made him hypersonic because of how he dodged the rockets. But the scale of this could be much greater if he had been more generous, because, Scale to Vector who can react and move that fast [0.0189c]. How they scaled up the reducing ray is where the controversial point of the episode comes in; they scaled it up as AP. The reasoning itself was strange... I think the reason they did it was to see how they relied more on the diameter and width of the area of effect. To determine the area, the beam's range, in short, wasn't for AP as such, it was the range of the beam, which is why they gave more credit to Gru's arsenal. But the way they explained it left me very confused because they made it sound like AP but only based it on the area of effect.

Fun Fact: Some characters can have higher AP if they manipulate their size, and some Haxes have variable ranges.

The problem with why it keeps resonating is that in the analysis of Megamind, no feat was calculated until the verdict. But they used their lowest-end range and didn't buy Megamind to excel in physical stats. Which in a way makes sense; in the film, Megamind is portrayed as physically weak and reliant on his arsenal. For example: Dodge Lady Dogger's lightning bolts. While Megamind has arguments for relativistic speed and FTL+, they are not consistent enough to directly scale it. Which is impressive, there's no denying it, but I only buy the lower levels more for a more mid-range debate

Now, regarding destructive power, Gru was placed at City level and Megamind at town level. Many will say, but that's not the true power of both characters. Death Battle used the scale that for them was the most consistent and by this point everyone should know that DB. They also have their own way of scaling; there are several examples such as: the Scooby vs. Courage scale Scooby has far greater feats than courage, but both were placed on the same scale.

Now, regarding the arsenal, they've already made it clear that both characters have a fairly destructive and large arsenal that counters each other and is quite versatile. But they really should have explained which types of arsenal counter each other and which ones don't.

The fart gun counters the De-Gun due to its multiple functions, which, while not as varied as Megamind's, are still functional. How its ability to induce a disgusting smell that can instantly knock a person out at their best, alter clothing and eliminate gravity and steal objects (the best function) and Furthermore, its best feature is duplication.

Given this, Gru could steal Megamind's arsenal at its peak or duplicate his own to attack Megamind without issue, but clearly, the De-Gun's functions are very effective. How the ability to de-slow down, de-morality, de-disintegrate, etc. While the De-Gravity function might affect the Minions, they've already survived zero-gravity environments, so meh.

The problem was that they didn't talk so much about the arsenal itself, but rather about specifying what counteracts each other, which makes it seem very unverified.

Regarding Minions, I'll be patient and super brief; there's no problem for either side.

While the Brainbots are greater in number, in quality they are not the best, since with slight blows they are already out of combat and in the pop-up window of the episode, They mention that they can be easily reprogrammed and make it clear that they are not intelligent on their own. Literally in the first movie they attacked Megamind while he had the hologram on and didn't recognize him until he deactivated the hologram. They would only be effective because of Chum, who is the most effective Minion Megamind has. Although he is clearly not very experienced in terms of battle, and considering that he is just a fish and his suit can be easily destroyed. So, performance on the battlefield wouldn't be much and would depend heavily on distance. But even so, Kevin, like other Minions, is quite efficient in his own way, able to lead his companions and Although Gru's Minions are usually clumsy, that clumsiness has partially helped them on more than one occasion Added to the Mega Minions, it closes the gap.

Now for the most controversial point, and the one I partially understand: the complaints about skills

Here we are bringing the debate to a close, and its capabilities that could go wrong. Both Gru and Megamind are quite skilled. When they were villains, they carried out feats of attacks and plans... Wait Oh no, that's not what the category should be called, it should be called EXPERIENCE... The problem with this category is that they combined experience with skill, Which makes it sound improvised and poorly argued.

So let's separate this now. Who has better experience? Megamind had several battles with Metro Man when he was a villain, right? I mean, he should have experience with that... Unfortunately, Metro Man was the big fish in a small pond. As we see with Metro Man, he never saw Megamind as a rival and was getting bored as a hero. Megamind, every time he fought Metro Man according to the chronological timeframe given by the movie, never beat him or even surpassed him. Because he has only dealt with something that was far beyond him, his battles with Metro Man make him look bad in terms of how he prepares. But what happened to Tighten? He was just an inexperienced teenager, he wasn't like Metro Man. I beat him because I caught him off guard, and that's all. But now with the series, things get much worse. Megamind was flanderized and left much less experienced when it comes to facing villains. In addition, there is literally an episode where he couldn't beat a cockroach. The only way he could defeat the cockroach queen was by FEEDING MEGAMIND'S EGO. In addition, he panics much faster and does more irrational things, like when he risked his life for some donuts when Machiavillian turned the city against Megamind. He has only managed to surpass the other villains either with external help or when the script requires it. Unlike Gru, who has actually learned tricks and from his mistakes, such as with Vector, El Macho, Brad, and Maxime Le Mal. Interestingly, these four villains have traits similar to those of Megamind, such as Vector with his childish side, El Macho with his irrationality, and Brad with his theatrical side. While Le Mal already had a clumsy side, this one has it too. In fact, in his battle with Brad, Gru took note of their first encounter and in the second round defeated him without a problem, managing to steal his weapon and use it against him. How she made it easy to go along with Brad and take advantage of his theatrical side, catching him off guard. In this section, Gru would easily win, thus surpassing Megamind.

Now, finally, the skills are finished. Perhaps Megamind's greatest strength is his high intelligence and ability to think on his feet. But considering that Gru is skilled in hand-to-hand combat and dealing with hordes of large enemies, taking advantage of his enemies' casualties and using their best skills against them. Furthermore, many of Megamind's best tactics require preparation time or outside help. It makes the gap much shorter, It's worth noting that many believe Death Battle rigged one of its rules to favor Gru. Which is not true, the rule in question says we are going to use the characters in their best condition. The rule in question refers primarily to Arsenal, skills, and forms; it does not include anything related to the characters' personalities. The only rule that involves the characters' personalities is this: the characters will not have their personalities, much less the morality to kill another. Now, considering what Megamind Rules did with Megamind's personality, it clearly makes sense why they came to that conclusion. There are several battles that depend on and are greatly influenced by the personalities of the characters. Interestingly, there are matches where this happens: if character A is very impulsive, immature, and overconfident, character B, who is more serious, intelligent, and tactical, may be ahead of him. The same thing happens here. Gru may be a bit clumsy, but he knows when things get tough and can also think on his feet due to the seriousness of the matter. But as for Megamind, he may be intelligent, but he tends to be childish, egocentric, arrogant, and overconfident.

Conclusion: The problem with the episode was mainly how they explained their reasoning and that they didn't provide enough of a middle ground to properly explain their point. The verdict should have explained in more detail the points in favor of and against both sides. And separating experience from skill, because as Gru and Megamind are shown, they are quite evenly matched, and even the G1 blog depends on what you're giving the characters. While I agree with the verdict, the way they explained it is what made the episode look bad to many.