u/Accurate_Moment_4822

Beware of Ava, I believe her rp character may be a 'Professional Victim' or a 'Stealth Bully'

>Professional victims are stealth bullies. Being caught in a never ending blame game with one of these individuals is toxic in the extreme. This isn’t a game you can win. It doesn’t matter how many facts you present or how logical your observations and counter-arguments are. It’s extremely unlikely a narcissist or professional victim will give up the mantle of victimhood. It would require them to take responsibility for their actions, abdicate their gross sense of entitlement and their compulsion to control. Being in control of their environment and relationships, gives the narcissist’s false self the illusion of safety and protection from exposure and potential loss of supply. That’s simply not going to happen.

>The professional victim must be victimized. For example, your sister needles and needles and needles one of your sore spots, until you can’t take it any more and snap at her. Presto! She just got you to victimize her. The previous 2 hours during which she tormented and bullied you are irrelevant. Or, your husband, who’s having an affair, picks a fight with you to manufacture a reason to storm out of the house and go have sex with his affair partner. The fight is your fault and cheating on you is your fault because professional victim. If you weren’t such a disappointment as a wife, he wouldn’t have to cheat on you and, therefore, wouldn’t have had to pick a fight with you in the first place, see? There’s a twisted pretzel logic to their reasoning, messed up as it is.

>Characteristics of Professional Victims

1. Rarely if ever, possibly never apologizes. The narcissist has exclusive rights to the role of injured party. When you call her or him on their behavior, they provide ample excuses for why they’re not responsible. The excuses typically redirect blame onto you or other scapegoats — usually the person the narcissist has wronged. It’s always your fault or someone else’s fault, but never, ever is it the narcissist’s fault unless it somehow serves their self-serving agenda.

>2) Pushes peoples buttons to get an emotional response. A determined narcissist could make the Dalai Lama lose his cool. Narcissists and professional victims often have scripts in their head about how their interactions with others are supposed to go. Non-disordered people have scripts, too (expectations about how other will respond and interact with us), but our scripts aren’t rigid and we can adapt when people don’t respond the way we think or hope they will. Not so for narcissists. If reality doesn’t match their script, they’ll make it fit, facts and reality be damned.

[hollow texts message her]
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2761146514?t=4h36m45s
seconds followed as Hollow texted Ava, that > Ava We need to talk < [about the loss of 2 million $] she could then be heard: 'Interesting Interesting interesting " , immediately lowering the volume on the radio. ooc discussed a ban request of a stalker. then a moment later imediately goes back to clock off, runs past Hollow [on the phone] and clocks out. Next morning begins the narative : 'never did i see it. 'twas 3Am and i was cooked', yet was very active and alert, attaching to new chases for the next 2 hours

[runs past hollow 2x]
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2761146514?t=4h43m47s

ava admitted to windsong that 'i have a problem. there is patterns of me having issues', yet the full disclosure reads more like attempts at emotional manipulating windsong. it worked

in the video ava was condescinding and rude to hollow, no way to speak to a person in command. even notice the video tape after she had baited him to react

[full talk to windsong]
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2761820818?t=7h3m24s

she was a professional victim/stealth bully to ella, romano, hollow, silas, chalk
thats only just the ones we know of

and is manipulating windsong to extremes
dont be the next victim to the professional victim

Meeting Discussion about Not Spam Tazing
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2754546449?t=2h37m18s

EMSTROGEN > "We started at 3 seconds and now we're at a number close to 10. That number is going to keep going up, if we continue to make the experience for criminals super unfun around tazing."

PENTA > "Guys its okay if the criminals get away."

It doesn’t feel like the community meeting resolved anything. There were simply too many people involved, which meant most had to hold back, wait their turn, or just ended up talking over each other something that’s unavoidable with a group that large.

Before people could even finish though what they were trying to say, Penta would jump in with "Ok now what do you think of THIS idea instead"

Emstrogen followed with "Ok, but what do you think of THIS IDEA instead" shifting the focus away from what players were actually experiencing, and onto the new proposal. Instead of letting people finish their thoughts, it became about redirecting them.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2754546449?t=1h14m51s
At one point, Thrive tried to explain what was happening to his character and got hit with:

"PAUSE. This is not a This-person-did-this meeting. This is a How do you feel about this solution?"

Right there, the discussion about in character experiences was shut down. In practice, it turned into "dont explain what happened, just react to the solution."

Even when Penta asked s0upes and Thrive to speak, they were talked over before they could say anything meaningful. Penta and emstrogen just pushed forward with the proposal.

The ENTIRE meeting is supposed to be about "what happens to people in RP" and Thrive was shut down for trying to talk about exactly that.

The "3 strikes for corruption" idea was then fasttracked through without actually listening to what people been saying. It didn't sound like Thrive or s0upes were heard at any point, they were just interrupted, dismissed, and moved past.

The vote itself shows the problem:

>"outright ban (corruption)" 31 votes (44%)
"Reword (corruption)" 33 votes (46%)

That's nearly split.
Yet no one stopped to ask why so many people leaned toward outright banning it?
Why do players feel that way?

It felt like people were holding back. waiting for spaces to speak, or waiting for others to open that discussion but that never happened, as no one could get a word in. Eventualy, the conversation got derailed entirely by unrelated questions and never returned to the corruption topic.

THE CRUX OF THE PROBLEM Is NOT the corruption charge.

Corruption itself is not the issue here. The issue is how Wrangler (and associated w/ him) has been using it, and how Wrangler has been treating people in those interactions. That is the elephant in the room that no one wants to say to Penta directly.

Its not even limited to the corruption charges, his same pattern could happen with other charges! The real problem is that whenever Wrangler faces any form of resistence, the response escalates immediately, either verbally or through charges.

And that is what drives people away.

It makes people not want to play.

It also takes time for people to get comfortable speaking and to gather their thoughts. You are not going to resolve weeks of built-up frustration in five minutes of interrupted conversation.

Using "we had a community meeting and no one said anything" as a defense comes off as bad faith. especially when the root issues werent even allowed to be discussed.

And it raises another question:

Why is it that so many people are being affected by Wrangler, yet nothing seems to come back the other way onto Wrangler?

There is plenty of RP that doesn't revolve around this kind of dynamic, yet this pattern keeps repeating.

The community chat was also was flooded with animated GIF and spam so anything constructive was immediately buried and scrolled past.

On top of that, a new poll was made but it was never actually shown or followed up on. It was mentioned and then forgotten.

At the end of the day, the meeting did not capture the full picture of what's been happening in the roleplay. the 2 people who could solve the problem with penta just left and were told good riddance

And if that doesn't get addressed properly, it is not going to resolve itself. It is just going to keep happening.