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Just finished my first Dickens — Great Expectations
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Just finished my first Dickens — Great Expectations

This book just hit me like a truck.

Firstly, this book has some of the most beautiful writing I have ever read; the prose is so dense, yet somehow maintains its fluidity. Each chapter I finished, I felt as if my brain had just gone for a very nice jog. I’m thinking that I might have become a “better” reader after this.

Second, Victorian England is a setting I can read about all day. I love the old-time language, the classism-themes, the gentlemen and ladies, the convicts. It’s strange because Charles Dickens creates this muddy atmosphere — I can almost hear the dirt squelching under my feet as he describes the marshes — and yet it’s also somehow so colorful. This is a book dripping with personality.

Third, the characters. Miss Havisham, Abel Magwitch, Joe Gargery (the man I aspire to be), Mr. Wopsle, Mr. Pumblechook, etc. etc. etc! Each one has their own distinct personality that is instantly recognizable. They each shine when they’re on the page and I hope that I one day write characters half as entertaining.

Fourth, and the topic I really want to talk about, Pip and Estella.

Man….where do I begin?

I guess I’ll start with that I see a lot of myself in Pip — I’ve been the type of guy to be embarrassed by family that has my back, even when I shouldn’t be. I’ve also distanced myself from people that cared for me in order to impress people that don’t care a wit about me. I’ve been pretentious and holier than thou before. Becoming aware of that, and growing beyond it, is a tough lesson to learn and Pip’s journey is a very humbling way to be reminded of that lesson. I found Pip relatable, frustrating, and tragic.

Especially in his relationship with Estella. She is so obviously cold and distant (perhaps even a touch manipulative) to him and yet he “loves” her (another embarrassing relation between Pip and I, “loving” women who aren’t reciprocating). His devotion to her and his proclamation of his love to her would be heartbreakingly romantic….if it wasn’t so obvious that she doesn’t return the feeling. When she announced that she would be married (to Drummle, no less!) my heart dropped to my stomach and put me right in PiP’s shoes.

However, if I may be so bold, I don’t think Pip really loves Estella.

To me, his “love” for Estella is rooted in one thing — that being shame. When he first goes to Miss Havisham’s, he is reminded that he’s poor, and how much that sucks, and he wants more than anything to be a gentleman. I think Estella is more of a symbol for Pip of wealth, status, etc. — it’s almost like she’s the most romanticized version of a trophy wife. So his “love” is more so desperation to not be poor than any actual tenderness between the two.

Which is why I’m not really “hateful” towards Estella. I saw an article titled “In defense of Estella” — and I haven’t read it (because I wasn’t finished with the book at the time), but that title alone tells me that Estella likely has some haters out there disparaging her.

I did think she was cold and distant, and I was certain that she didn’t love Pip…..

….but I also don’t think Pip loved her, at least not in a mature way.

Great Expectations, to me, is kind of a reality check for both of these characters — we bear witness to Pip’s reality check, but Estella’s happens in the background. She marries Drummle and he sucks — which is obvious to us, the reader who is absorbing the story from Pip’s completely unbiased and objective POV (sarcasm) — but she’s like a young woman, and I’m sure most women out there have dated a guy that sucks simply because they were young and lacked experience. Part of the story is her growing up, too.

Which is why I see the ending as hopeful. Pip and Estella have grown up, received their reality check, and are able to be more true to themselves when making romantic decisions. I’m a natural romantic at heart, so I like to think that they fell in TRUE love after the story ends, but I respect the ambiguous nature of the ending, AND WOULD LOVE TO HEAR DIFFERING OPINIONS (please disagree with me).

Anyway, Charles Dickens has gained another fan.

Thanks for reading.

u/SlaveKnightSisyphus — 3 days ago
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I'm really glad to have found this sub, I have become a Dickens fiend lately. One of my favorite things about him in general is the side characters he creates - who eventually are keys to the plot moving along, but are so memorable in their own right.

I was wondering which ones are people's favorites / most memorable. I have mine but I don't want to push the conversation in any one direction!

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u/DTownForever — 8 days ago
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So, this wasn't the novel I thought it would be..for better and for worse 😄

I'd thought it would be centered around Darnay and Carton, as two opposites and doubles - but Dickens seems to be interested more in making Time and History the key player here, sweeping along everyone in its path, but there is always a hope of salvation and redemption somewhere. It takes one brave person to be that hope...

Some fantastic passages, great descriptions, moving scenes, some funny moments ...but also Dickens deliberately omitting things we needed to know (?) and some glaring problems in his storyline. Didn't hit as hard as Bleak House when I read that as a student way back when, which still remains my favourite Dickens.

Also, shout-out to this edition by Penguin and superb notes and introduction by Richard Maxwell. And excellent choice of cover art !

u/Spirited-Tutor7712 — 10 days ago
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here's our validation from Dickens himself!

📖 - Great Expectations

u/RinRambles — 8 days ago
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Your favorite child-centered books?

So, I mean a book where the MC is a child for a large portion of the book (at least 1/3). I just can't fathom how an adult man can write children so authentically.

Some of the prose just makes my inner child feel so seen! It's insane. Sometimes I'll read a few sentences and be struck by the most vivid childhood memory of feeling exactly that way. The scene where Pip is left alone in the courtyard the first time he visits Miss Havisham's and Estella abandons him and he wants to kick the walls ... I had to stop and take deep breaths after I finished that passage.

So, like Our Mutual Friend wouldn't fit this category, there's only smatterings of when the characters are small children and I believe they're only flashbacks. Same for Little Dorritt. The MC grows up quickly.

GE and David Copperfield would be examples of what I'm looking for. I know there are so many. I've read GE and DC and Oliver Twist, but beyond that I am open! (I will read them all, eventually, but I just finished a book and want to start something else today or tomorrow.)

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u/DTownForever — 3 days ago
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I've always been confused by a portion of one dialog from "A Chistmas Carol"

I used to re-read Dickens' "Christmas Carol" yearly, from when I was a kid onward. it's always been one of my favorite pieces, but I never can help but be confused when Scrooge says - in his conversation with the charitable gentlemen - "Besides--excuse me--I don't know that." I've always assumed it's a genuine literary aposiopesis, somehow connected with Scrooge's immediately preceding comment about "surplus population"... then comes the response of "But you might know it" from one of the gentleman, indicating that it seems obvious to him what Scrooge was about to say. Well, the same has never been obvious to ME! What specifically are we to understand to be Scrooge's "THAT" and the gentleman's "IT"?

Am I thick? Every commentary/analysis of this dialog focuses either on the mechanism of character development, or the Malthusian socio-historical implications of the exchange... nobody addresses the actual verbiage. I just want to get a handle on WHAT is being said or implied, not WHY.

Any insights? What have I been missing?

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u/HappyBed7431 — 5 days ago
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If Nancy had taken up Mr. Brownlow's offer and decided to go live with him, Oliver and Rose in their house, how would Bill have reacted? Would he have gone after and tried to take her back with him?

What would Fagin have done?

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u/Suspicious-Jello7172 — 10 days ago